Hakatsuru Kata

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:23 pm

Stryke wrote:
Perhaps you dont understand your not on a pedastool Bill , many folks are just as commited and passionate about martial arts as you , the dont get it stuff dont cut it , In fact I`m sure Mike , Myself and others could teach you a few things , and vice versa

Did I work my arse off to get where I am? Damn right. Should I be ashamed of that, or choose not to draw from my experiences? Should I elect not to fill the teacher and leader shoes I have earned?

Where is the pedestal, Marcus? My language may be harsh. I may not have the best people skills in the world. (I wouldn't be alone on that one.) I would in fact be the first to admit it. But I hardly put myself on a pedestal. Try working with me some time. You know that you have an open invitation to drop by this part of the world. I guarantee you that a place could be found to put you up - even if it was my own home.

And yes, you COULD teach me a thing or two. That's why I have this Forum, Marcus. That's why I have a "Roundtable" format to these discussions. That's why as a professional researcher, I have dedicated myself to being a student of life. The more I know, the more I understand my own limitations and the more hungry I become for more knowledge.

Stryke wrote:
... your refusal to comment further is one of the most highjacking ways to hold a discussion .

You grossly misunderstood my comment, Marcus.

Why did I say this?

Bill Glasheen wrote:
I think all was said that needed to be said.

I said that because I thought Mike's post and your post after it dealt with all the issues. I didn't feel a need to challenge Mike for his response to my post. Mike had an opinion on the matter, and he expressed it. Mike didn't like my attitude, and he got it off his chest. Good for Mike!!! You then made what *I* thought was a perfectly reasonable and frankly amusing post. It was eloquent and magnanimous.

All that needed to be said was said. And that is exactly what I communicated.

Instead, you and Laird assumed the worst. I have to clean unnecessary insults from a perfectly good thread. Why? What did all that accomplish?

Please, everyone, go back and read what was posted. There was no battle to be had. There was no need to run to the defense of anyone. If Mike and I want to disagree, let us disagree in peace. The discussion just MIGHT be interesting!

In my professional world, disagreement is de rigueur. It is part of the idea vetting process that ultimately leads to one (or more) points of evidence-based consensus. It is only personal if someone chooses to make it so.

- Bill

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:29 pm

How did I miss out on all the fun here?

Oh well...

there is always the next time.

Don't you love the forums?

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:00 pm

Van Canna wrote:
How did I miss out on all the fun here?

Perhaps you had your eyes on something a little more interesting.

- Bill

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:22 pm

Bill Glasheen wrote:
Van Canna wrote:
How did I miss out on all the fun here?
Perhaps you had your eyes on something a little more interesting.

- Bill

well...life is too short you know

But seriously...I was thinking how some of these exchanges on my forum and yours resemble my favorite Sicilian muppetry shows down in the piazza when I was a kid...

Enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4TV1_nwmhE

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:28 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc6-VTB1 ... re=related

It fits...no? Study Sicilian language...it's a riot

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:33 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwYnpoQE ... re=related

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:39 pm

Bill Glasheen wrote:
Van Canna wrote:
How did I miss out on all the fun here?
Perhaps you had your eyes on something a little more interesting.

- Bill

As it turns out Bill... I had the Bimmer's steptronics in 'sports mode' last night...man can that thing 'rev up'

f.Channell · Post by **f.Channell** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:44 am

Those puppets are frightening but I fear most the Erlkonig. The keeper of all kata secrets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yGwoxM ... re=related

He charges a hefty price.

F.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:02 am

That is hilarious stuff, Van. It takes kabuki theater to another level.

You have no idea... Then again, maybe you do.

- Bill

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:02 am

NEB · Post by **NEB** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:52 am

Van Canna wrote: How did I miss out on all the fun here?

Oh well... there is always the next time.

Don't you love the forums?

well, we don't know each other too well, but this has been a good one.

fivedragons · Post by **fivedragons** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:19 am

Hey why not go off the deep end?

"On reading a quote by Sensei Glasheen, about the true meaning of kata; "they are reference books and NOT story books."

I watch kabuki
Some are painted, some wear black
I am whispering.

I watch kabuki
Some are painted, some wear black
you sit beside me

I watch kabuki
Some are painted, some wear black
Are you listening?

I watch kabuki
Some are painted, some wear black
This is your story.

MikeK · Post by **MikeK** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:45 am

Bill Glasheen wrote:But seriously... Perhaps you don't understand how much that line of thinking irritates someone who puts a lifetime of teaching effort into advancing martial arts. To some degree, my entire academic life revolved around preparing me to understand martial arts at the level I do. (My OWN view of the world, BTW...) When I was in school, I never thought of kah rah tay and my academic curriculum as separate entities. Same with the music to some degree. It was all part of a kind of Shaolin whole that I sought to pull together.

Sounds like a personal problem.

Really Bill, alternate lines of thinking shouldn't irritate you at all. Be proud of your accomplishments, they're many and impressive, but kick off those leader shoes once in awhile, go barefoot and just enjoy the conversation without letting it bother you. It's not all about winning everyone to a point of view.

Bill Glasheen wrote:I'm very serious when I train kata. And if you'd get your arse back in my classes more often, you'd see how I teach kata. You'd see me pull them apart and put them back together again. You'd see me spontaneously throwing bunkai together. You'd see me stopping one-on-one and many-on-one jiyu kumite exercises (full and partial speed), and discussing how movements did or did not reflect principles taught in kata. You'd hear me talk anatomy and physiology. You'd hear me discuss the Bubishi. You'd hear me quote Grossman. Etc., etc.

Thanks for the very kind offer Bill, but I've already been there, done that with several groups, and have moved in a bit of a different direction. I found, for me, trying to tie everything to kata was restricting and just decided to try to learn using a different model. I've started working a few of my old Korean kata again but this time with the intent of just enjoying the movements, though I do notice applications in passing; honestly I couldn't even think of trying to add all of what you're doing to my simple movement practice, it'd make my head hurt and ruin my fun with all that thinking I'd have to do.

Now I would be interested to see how your students work their kata and what insights of their own they bring to the practice. Seeing someone's personal break through in understanding this stuff and their approach to it is the part that's of interest to me. It's just more exciting to watch someone "get it".

Bill Glasheen wrote:Mike... your statements make me want to hit my head against a wall in frustration. So why should you feel like you have a corner on the frustration or "being insulted" market?

Know what I mean?

Not really. I wasn't much insulted at all, (though I thought the skirt shot was a bit silly and could offend some of the ladies), and these days I don't get frustrated by what others say. Why should anyone get worked up over what someone says about this stuff, does it really matter in the long run? I also don't get worked up much these days because besides working the physical I can also work the spiritual and mental parts of myself by training martial arts. I like the idea so much I may try to come up with an exotic name for it, like three battles or something.

It's sleepy time for me.

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:56 am

Instead, you and Laird assumed the worst.

you deleted one of my posts , and it wasnt particularly offensive , just a comment on perception , you assumed the worst of me Bill , where my only attempt was to further encourage an interesting discussion , where I found my point of veiw fairly unusually down the middle .

I assume nothing , I know at some point youll pull some qualification strawman out from somewhere , and turn a discussion about perspective and appraoch , into well ....

but as I said I know your passionate , kick back and chuckle , we dont need saving , no need to be frustrated .

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:58 pm

Stryke wrote:
you deleted one of my posts , and it wasnt particularly offensive , just a comment on perception , you assumed the worst of me Bill

Collateral damage, Marcus.

When I see a string of a certain mindset of posts, I delete them without bothering to read them. Occasionally I kill a reasonable one. My bad.

- Bill

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