In a phone booth...

[Dana Sheets]

http://wing-chun.nu/cwc_video_sparring.htm

It takes a few times for the link to work (server issues) - but the little teaching clips of this WT player are interesting.

Almost everytime he advances from a neutral stance he ends up in something very similar to sanchin.

some selected clips if the first link won't work...
http://www.workav.net/cwc_video/CarlDan2.mpg
http://www.workav.net/cwc_video/Carl&Steve6.mpg

a little brain shock on this one...
http://www.workav.net/cwc_video/Carl&Steve7.mpg

Nukite, Bushiken front kick anyone?
http://www.workav.net/cwc_video/Carl&Steve9.mpg

[Spike]

Good Stuff

[MikeK]

Marty showed good rooting in this one. http://www.workav.net/cwc_video/Marty&Chuck1.mpg

Other than that I don't see the point of what they're doing.

[JimHawkins]

a little brain shock on this one...
http://www.workav.net/cwc_video/Carl&Steve7.mpg

Not a big fan of Carl...

This is not sparring, as they call it, or particularly honorable conduct by Sifu Carl IMO. He's gotton poor reviews on the conduct and technique depicted in these vids on other WCK forums. IMO he's getting his ya ya's off here.

The starting stance is Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma, or goat grabbing stance.

It is the same stance, as far as I can tell, as the initial opening stance in Sanchin, where feet are both pointed in and even. The conversion between this neutral stance and the first step in Sanchin is of great significance when viewed from a WCK perspective.

This basic neutral stance often converts to the Chum Kiu stance when moving off the line and in or back and in and for general body alignment and power generation reception.

However the standard advancing step in chi sao is very similar to the Sanchin step. If you mix the regular advancing step with the Chum Kiu step you get a copy of the Sanchin step. So, in other words the Sanchin step seems to be a compression of different stepping methods.

The KC stepping dynamic may exist within the Sanchin stepping but only when viewed as a slice of the whole IMO, as in the first step. Chum Kiu also uses the bik ma stepping, which may be similar to the stepping found in the third (B3) Uechi form.

[MikeK]

Glad you saw it too Jim. Carl showed horrible control, and everything he did was against a very non-resisting partner.

So, in other words the Sanchin step seems to be a compression of different stepping methods.

Jim, does WC eventually compress the steps or do they remain seperate?

[JimHawkins]

So, in other words the Sanchin step seems to be a compression of different stepping methods.

Jim, does WC eventually compress the steps or do they remain seperate?

Kind of both.

It's what I thought of when I saw the disagreement of some Uechika discussing how far one foot should come to the other when stepping in Sanchin. The question of how much 'arc' is a question of different kinds of movements, both (and more) are correct, IMO.

The first kind of standard stepping the foot does not move much closer to the other, so no real arc, Step A.

In the second kind of stepping the foot is moved close to the other but it also moves into the center; so then you get an arc, Step B.

From there the lead foot may stay in the center and there is a shuffling, poor word to describe the dynamic, kind of stepping where the feet stay aligned and use short explosive steps, Step C.

(This stepping is something like what I saw in the third Sanchin form of the big three. )

Then this linier stepping may convert back into the other standard step when following through with the body or otherwise adapting, Step A.

So in short each of the steps is separate but they flow into each other at different times.

What I see in Sanchin is a compression of all these variations much like a compressed file but you have to uncompress it to get the unseen movements, IMO, for example where is the shuffle in the Sanchin step? I see one, but you have to sort of decode it.

[MikeK]

So in short each of the steps is separate but they flow into each other at different times.

OK, that makes sense.

What I see in Sanchin is a compression of all these variations much like a compressed file but you have to uncompress it to get the unseen movements, IMO, for example where is the shuffle in the Sanchin step? I see one, but you have to sort of decode it.

Interesting because I see both a shuffle and a more lunging step in the two add-on kata that I've been playing with.

I see a lot of compression all over Uechi and wonder if it's a philosophy of the style and training.