early Karate myth source

f.Channell · Post by **f.Channell** » Mon May 02, 2005 11:09 pm

Ever wonder where the "One strike instant death" myth comes from?
How about "hands registered as deadly weapons"?
The all knowing sensei?
Well get this 1961 classic, the first movie of Karate to be shown in North America and find out.
Kind of fun to watch as well.
If you have an earlier source please share it.

F.

MikeK · Post by **MikeK** » Mon May 02, 2005 11:20 pm

Men feared the death in his hands...
Woman lived for their embrace.

Bill, Am I allowed to have that embroidered on the back of my gi?

I wonder if it started because the Japanese seem to register everything.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:33 am

So THAT'S what my hands can do...

Honey, guess what sensei has for you??

- Bill

f.Channell · Post by **f.Channell** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:45 am

It's okay to have it on the back of the gi as long as you have flames on the sleeves.

F.

f.Channell · Post by **f.Channell** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:58 am

Not to give away the movie but he goes to report a stolen wallet.
The policeman sees callouses on his hands and asks him if he's a Karate expert.
He replies he's a godan.
The police officer asks him if his hands are registered and gives him a paper to fill out.
The fake rubber callouses were just too much!!

I may have to buy it.

F.

2Green · Post by **2Green** » Tue May 03, 2005 3:24 am

"Ever wonder where the "One strike instant death" myth comes from?"

Maybe it comes from Halifax, Nova Scotia, where a bouncer at the Palace Cabaret, where I have played countless gigs, punched a patron ONCE and knocked him dead on the ground. He's serving time, the patron is DEAD.

Or, maybe it's just a "myth", as apparently some are trying to portray it as such.
Can't figure out why.

It's a little different when it happens in one's own home town, leaving the "internet experts" to "debate" the "myth". And yes, the bouncer WAS a martial artist.

The pure denial of this reality baffles me beyond words, especially in such a knowledgeable environment. I have seen this in several forums.

If you need additional instances of this REALITY, by the way, I have URL's.

NM

chef · Post by **chef** » Tue May 03, 2005 3:49 am

...but is he a Godan with his embrace???

If only all were that talented, hmmm!

Kind of reminds me of that James Bond movie where the 'evil woman' could crush me to death with her amazingly strong thighs.

Too funny! Now that is abductors at their finest.

Just another goofy thought.
Chef

IJ · Post by IJ » Tue May 03, 2005 5:14 am

Sure there are people killed with one blow. But that doesn't explain how a one punch one kill myth should spring up. Anytime two people with any skill get together it gets more complicated than that and even if its a poorly matched fight a kill is highly unusual much less with one strike.

Yet we've got people convinced they can deal out this kind of punishment and they're so focused on that one perfect strike they may land none in a real fight. If you keep your hands up and duck a little you're going to make it to clench range unless you're unlucky and untrained. And there the KO punch just doesn't work well.

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:29 am

Bah who says it`s a myth

maybe we just dont undertsnad

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Tue May 03, 2005 5:30 am

you're going to make it to clench range unless you're unlucky and untrained. And there the KO punch just doesn't work well.

there are some great KO`s in clinch range , in fact it`s often easier since youve got the guy tied up and can effectively target .

Harry Cook · Post by **Harry Cook** » Tue May 03, 2005 8:42 am

I have that video and the acting is beyond lousy!! However for Shotokan fans there are a few seconds worth watching. The action takes place at the then JKA headquarters dojo, where a demonstration of kata takes place. The three demonstrators are Kanazawa, Mikami, and I think Takaura ie. the first three members of the instructors course. As far as I know this is the only film of the three of them together. It is also interesting to note how differenbt the kata is to modern JKA shotokan.
Watch the flashback when our hero kills a man with his bare hands - acting worthy of the best Shakesperian thespian!!
Harry Cook

chef · Post by **chef** » Tue May 03, 2005 11:29 am

So do you think there is one or several spots, when hit with enough focused force, can be debilitating....causing incredible damage?

Let's say you want to stop an attacker, maybe an unwanted house guest, where would you aim to do the most damage....assuming you have no weapon? Would it be the trachea, the eyes, what?

Vicki

Harry Cook · Post by **Harry Cook** » Tue May 03, 2005 11:37 am

Go for the eyes and the throat - ideally the vagus and phrenic nerves if you aim to do serious damage. Also of course snap fingers, stamp on the knees and groin if you get the cance.
Harry Cook

MikeK · Post by **MikeK** » Tue May 03, 2005 12:45 pm

Like Harry said, attacks to the knee are great, gotta love Shotokan for those. I know Bill has a bunch of good techniques.

A non-lethal one I'm working on now is triggering the opponents gag reflex which can make it hard for them to fight especially if you can get them to hurl.

f.Channell · Post by **f.Channell** » Tue May 03, 2005 12:55 pm

Harry,
Oddly he killed those 3 soldiers, who for some reason threw down their rifles with bayonets in fear of his hands of death.
They weren't programmed to pull the trigger I suppose.
I don't even think the guy was armed, other than those hands.
F.

early Karate myth source

early Karate myth source

Hands of death or hands of life?

Killing with one blow