What burns my ass is when you've got these wing chun dudes coming on a uechi web site, and they try to tell the karate dudes that they don't understand Chinese Martial Arts.
The funny thing is, that the uechi dudes are practicing real Chinese Martial Arts, while the wing chun dudes are practicing a weak system that Yip Man ##### up and taught to everyone differently, because he didn't understand the style he was supposed to be teaching.
What burns my ass is that Kanbun Uechi went to China, learned Chinese Martial Art from a taoist monk, was the only Okinawan to teach Chinese Martial arts in China at that time, Killed a Chinese dude and split for Okinawa.
Yea, he killed a Chinese dude with his weak Okinawan karate that he doesn't understand, because he doesn't practice wing chun.
Then the ignorant Okinawan who doesn't know "CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS" goes and ##### up a bunch of Japanese gangster with his poor ignorant Okinawan version of martial arts that he learned in China from a Taoist monk, who didn't really understand Chinese Martial Arts because he didn't practice wing chun.
And then what really burns my ass is that kanbun uechi taught the same system to many people, who consistently beat the living ##### out of people from many countries, styles, and etc...
The students of Kanbun in America go to China and end up practicing thier art with Chinese, who are doing the exact same thing as they are, with different names, but none of them understand real "REAL CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS", because they don't practice wing chun.
So students of the students of the ignorant Okinawan dude go out into the world and hospitalize people with thier ignorant form of CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS that don't really count as CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS because it just isn't wing chun.
And so all the poor ignorant americans who practice uechi-ryu realized that they had no reason to worry about whether their art was wing chun or not.
You see, the sneeches who didn't have stars on their bellies realized that somehow, their teacher had gone to China and brought back the REAL KUNG FU.
This kung fu was so much better than wing chun that the Chinese Taoist Monk who taught it to the poor ignorant Okinawan dude had to name it something different than wing chun.
He could have named it Five ancestors fist, but he didn't (it wasn't)
He could have named it wing chun but he didn't (it wasn't)
He could have named it hung gar but he didn't (It wasn't)
He could have named it Monkey kung fu but he didn't(it wasn't)
He could have named it Muay thai but he didn't (it wasn't )
And all around the world, everyone gasped and stared with wide eyes, as the sneeches without stars on their bellies practiced the real kung fu, but it wasn't called wing chun.
this burns my ass.
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fivedragons
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But the Chinese martial artist were upset that there were people in Okinawa that knew how to kick there ass...
So they said "this can't possibly be kung fu, because it's not wing chun."
So they watched as the ignorant Okinawan practiced kotikitae and ashikitae (that their Okinawan teacher had learned from a taoist monk in China)
They groaned as they practice two person prearranged drills (that are practiced by most styles in China, except wing chun, because wing chun is the only art that is representative of Chinese Martial art.
They gasped as they conditioned their toes, and yes even the tips of their fingers. (They can't be so foolish as to think that the nukite is a weapon, after all that's a Japanese word.)
They creamed their pants when they saw Okinawan people actually use the crane's beak to break boards. Oh no, they screamed, what if someone hit me with that and I wasn't wearing a welder's helmet?
Their was a little known secret, that only certain masters acknowledged....
The real kung fu had made it's way out of China about the time that the Chinese government and the international meddlers went haywire. Real kung fu was literally wiped out.
Kerflooey. Kaboom.
Another secret that has been kept through the ages is that:
You cannot completely destroy kung fu, because the principles are known to anyone of any language or nationality who takes the journey of self discovery, and LOOKS AT HIMSELF IN THE MIRROR, without a wing chun teacher looking over his shoulder.
So they said "this can't possibly be kung fu, because it's not wing chun."
So they watched as the ignorant Okinawan practiced kotikitae and ashikitae (that their Okinawan teacher had learned from a taoist monk in China)
They groaned as they practice two person prearranged drills (that are practiced by most styles in China, except wing chun, because wing chun is the only art that is representative of Chinese Martial art.
They gasped as they conditioned their toes, and yes even the tips of their fingers. (They can't be so foolish as to think that the nukite is a weapon, after all that's a Japanese word.)
They creamed their pants when they saw Okinawan people actually use the crane's beak to break boards. Oh no, they screamed, what if someone hit me with that and I wasn't wearing a welder's helmet?
Their was a little known secret, that only certain masters acknowledged....
The real kung fu had made it's way out of China about the time that the Chinese government and the international meddlers went haywire. Real kung fu was literally wiped out.
Kerflooey. Kaboom.
Another secret that has been kept through the ages is that:
You cannot completely destroy kung fu, because the principles are known to anyone of any language or nationality who takes the journey of self discovery, and LOOKS AT HIMSELF IN THE MIRROR, without a wing chun teacher looking over his shoulder.
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And then you've got the whole Mike tyson boxer deal.
##### mike tyson, he's not trying to fight me, and if you base your art on wether it will defeat mike tyson, you are doomed...
Becaues Mike Tyson is bigger and stronger than you, and he will bite your ear off.
Mike Tyson has bodyguards who know better martial arts than you.
Surprise, bad guys know martial arts too. And it's alot more scary than chi sao.
Bad guys know things like jujutsu and WWII combatives, which is born of tiger kung fu, not wing chun.
Bad guys wear steel toed boots and carry buck knives which are a lot more deadly than the butterfly knives you don't carry, but love to fondle in the temple of wing chun, which isn't a temple because wing chun is not a temple art like Uechi, which was taught to an ignorant Okinawan by a Taoist priest in China.
##### mike tyson, he's not trying to fight me, and if you base your art on wether it will defeat mike tyson, you are doomed...
Becaues Mike Tyson is bigger and stronger than you, and he will bite your ear off.
Mike Tyson has bodyguards who know better martial arts than you.
Surprise, bad guys know martial arts too. And it's alot more scary than chi sao.
Bad guys know things like jujutsu and WWII combatives, which is born of tiger kung fu, not wing chun.
Bad guys wear steel toed boots and carry buck knives which are a lot more deadly than the butterfly knives you don't carry, but love to fondle in the temple of wing chun, which isn't a temple because wing chun is not a temple art like Uechi, which was taught to an ignorant Okinawan by a Taoist priest in China.
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Surprise, bad guys know martial arts too, and it's more effective than push hands.
There are even real bad guys who practice wing chun, but they would be the first to laugh at a couple clowns who come on a uechi website and and insist that they know the real martial arts.
One of my teachers was a 6 dan in moo duk kwon tang soo do. He taught me several Chinese forms, without even telling me what style they where. I'm glad, because I wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life telling everyone else that their style wasn't the REAL CHINESE MARTIAL ART.
So this tang soo do dude, he was a real chi ster. He couldn't spend a half hour with me before he had to teach me some kind of CHINESE MOVING MEDITATION that wasn't wing chun.
This was a chi ster that could lay waste to a whole school of wing chun freaks.
Oh, but I guess it's not really fair to say that, because he was a tunnel rat in Vietnam, killed people in hand to hand combat, and he wasn't Chinese, he just didn't get it.
There are even real bad guys who practice wing chun, but they would be the first to laugh at a couple clowns who come on a uechi website and and insist that they know the real martial arts.
One of my teachers was a 6 dan in moo duk kwon tang soo do. He taught me several Chinese forms, without even telling me what style they where. I'm glad, because I wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life telling everyone else that their style wasn't the REAL CHINESE MARTIAL ART.
So this tang soo do dude, he was a real chi ster. He couldn't spend a half hour with me before he had to teach me some kind of CHINESE MOVING MEDITATION that wasn't wing chun.
This was a chi ster that could lay waste to a whole school of wing chun freaks.
Oh, but I guess it's not really fair to say that, because he was a tunnel rat in Vietnam, killed people in hand to hand combat, and he wasn't Chinese, he just didn't get it.
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And then we have to listen to the whole "you can't condition your face" argument.
Over the years I've read several posts by ignorant non Chinese people who have not really had to worry about their faces, because they have used their ignorantly conditioned hands and forearms to break the bones in the faces and bodies of the people who have attacked them, with pool cues, knives, etc....
Why should I protect my head, when my assailant is lying on the floor screaming?
Over the years I've read several posts by ignorant non Chinese people who have not really had to worry about their faces, because they have used their ignorantly conditioned hands and forearms to break the bones in the faces and bodies of the people who have attacked them, with pool cues, knives, etc....
Why should I protect my head, when my assailant is lying on the floor screaming?
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Wow!
You know what? You are half right.
But never forget that in our rants, we sometimes display that which we dislike most in what we see around us. Because in the end it never makes sense to dis a style. It's no different than said individuals dissing the style which we find so meaningful to us.
There are days... We often see things around us that we don't care for. But after a good night's sleep, I try very hard to see the worst in what I was, and how it might not have brought the best out of others around me.
I don't know... That's me.
As crazy as it gets, I'll try very hard to respect the opinions of others. So long as we all try to follow The Golden Rule - and maybe a few rules for these Forums - then I think these myriad mental challenges offer us all an opportunity for self evaluation.
FWIW, I happen to like Wing Chun, I happen to think Mike Typson was a good boxer (minus a few cards from the deck), and I think a few other ways of doing things are fascinating as well. I have learned much from the people around me, and often use these other ways to reflect further on paths that I choose to find relevant. I also find that in the end it's the people who study these various styles that make the most difference in my own journey.
Have a good day, my friend. No matter how it came out, I know your heart is in the right place. And I appreciate that.
- Bill
You know what? You are half right.
But never forget that in our rants, we sometimes display that which we dislike most in what we see around us. Because in the end it never makes sense to dis a style. It's no different than said individuals dissing the style which we find so meaningful to us.
There are days... We often see things around us that we don't care for. But after a good night's sleep, I try very hard to see the worst in what I was, and how it might not have brought the best out of others around me.
I don't know... That's me.
As crazy as it gets, I'll try very hard to respect the opinions of others. So long as we all try to follow The Golden Rule - and maybe a few rules for these Forums - then I think these myriad mental challenges offer us all an opportunity for self evaluation.
FWIW, I happen to like Wing Chun, I happen to think Mike Typson was a good boxer (minus a few cards from the deck), and I think a few other ways of doing things are fascinating as well. I have learned much from the people around me, and often use these other ways to reflect further on paths that I choose to find relevant. I also find that in the end it's the people who study these various styles that make the most difference in my own journey.
Have a good day, my friend. No matter how it came out, I know your heart is in the right place. And I appreciate that.
- Bill
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