http://www.webmd.com/video/truth-about-mrsa
So what to do, Bill? Say so long arm rubbing and pounding?
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f.Channell
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It's been good for my Purell sales.
Disinfectant cleaners too.
Are your dojo's mats cleaned with a disinfectant approved for killing MRSA?
Other contact areas?
If not call me!
Most of the time these mats are filthy. God knows what's breeding there.
F.
Disinfectant cleaners too.
Are your dojo's mats cleaned with a disinfectant approved for killing MRSA?
Other contact areas?
If not call me!
Most of the time these mats are filthy. God knows what's breeding there.
F.
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Fred has the right of it. Clean, clean, clean.
Clean EVERYTHING.
As much as we sometimes give Kru Mark a hard time for being a borderline hypochondriac, we keep Sityodtong virtually immaculate. Mats, bags, the ring...everything that has been in contact with sweaty human beings gets wiped down with disinfectants every night.
Bring a clean, dry change of clothes to class.
Go home and shower. Use Dial, or some other disinfectant soap.
That means shower right away: don't go sit around in your sweaty clothes for four hours, and then shower. The longer you wait, the more time you give for stuff to breed.
Keep wounds covered and clean.
If stuff starts to show up, see a doctor!
Clean EVERYTHING.
As much as we sometimes give Kru Mark a hard time for being a borderline hypochondriac, we keep Sityodtong virtually immaculate. Mats, bags, the ring...everything that has been in contact with sweaty human beings gets wiped down with disinfectants every night.
Bring a clean, dry change of clothes to class.
Go home and shower. Use Dial, or some other disinfectant soap.
That means shower right away: don't go sit around in your sweaty clothes for four hours, and then shower. The longer you wait, the more time you give for stuff to breed.
Keep wounds covered and clean.
If stuff starts to show up, see a doctor!
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A couple of years ago I was called up by a Gymnastics center. The place stunk so bad I could hardly enter it. Not only do you have the dirty mats but then mildew sometimes trapped underneath from the moisture of the floor beneath.
I've seen the same thing at those Mcdonalds Play gyms and other chuckee cheese types of places.
Who would let their kid go to such a place?
F.
I've seen the same thing at those Mcdonalds Play gyms and other chuckee cheese types of places.
Who would let their kid go to such a place?
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Changing times...
I remember pounding makiwara on Okinawa that were stained red from the blood of earlier users. Although the Cambridge St. Dojo was kept "superficially" clean during the 80s, I know fighting with the heavy bag without gloves left quite a lot of blood on the bag that stained it red over time and we weren't particularly concerned over body fluids while bare knuckle battles that took place there on a regular basis.
As we have become super aware of the new dangers relating to training that have occurred in such a brief time, can you project where we are headed??
Do you see us all walking around streets in body wraps and only taking off our protection while in individual sterile homes/rooms!
Any projections when this will happen? 5 years - 10 years?
As we have become super aware of the new dangers relating to training that have occurred in such a brief time, can you project where we are headed??
Do you see us all walking around streets in body wraps and only taking off our protection while in individual sterile homes/rooms!
Any projections when this will happen? 5 years - 10 years?
GEM
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Sobering thoughts indeed.
MRSA can be a nasty killer.
Arm rubbing and 'blocking' skin against skin at the wrist area before pounding it with fist/open hand/ ulna/radius _ do cause abrasions and exchanges of whatever you got to give.
Bill's comments here would be interesting.
Maybe someone could invent a 'body condom?'
MRSA can be a nasty killer.
Arm rubbing and 'blocking' skin against skin at the wrist area before pounding it with fist/open hand/ ulna/radius _ do cause abrasions and exchanges of whatever you got to give.
Bill's comments here would be interesting.
Maybe someone could invent a 'body condom?'
Van
And what about sex?
Question: What defines a lesion, and how do you even know you have a lesion?MRSA BY THE NUMBERS
The exact number of infections caused by MRSA, or methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, is unknown, but a CDC study estimated in 1999-2000, nearly 126,000 people were hospitalized each year for MRSA infections.
Source: USA TODAY research
By Anita Manning, USA TODAY
A virulent, drug-resistant form of staph bacteria that has spread across the USA since it was identified in 2000 can be spread by sexual activity, a mode of transmission that is "important and previously unrecognized," a new study says.
Scientists at Columbia University Medical Center, reporting in the Feb. 1 issue of Clinical Infectious Diseases, identified three cases in which the bacteria known as community-associated MRSA passed between sexual partners.
SUPERBUGS: Fear spreads far and wide
The report is the first to document the spread of MRSA through heterosexual activity, says Rachel Gorwitz of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"MRSA is transmitted by direct skin-to-skin contact," she says, "so it's not surprising it could be transmitted during sex."
MRSA once occurred primarily in hospitalized patients, but in recent years, a new strain has emerged that causes persistent skin infections in young, healthy people who have not been hospitalized, including football players and military recruits.
In the new study, researchers looked at 114 households in Manhattan where MRSA infections had been identified and found three in which the bacteria was spread by sexual activity.
In two cases, the women said they regularly shaved their pubic area, and their sexual partners had "pimples" in the groin area, researchers say.
In a third, the woman had MRSA-positive abscesses on her buttock, and her husband later developed a rash and MRSA-positive boils on his body. One of the women also had herpes.
The spread of MRSA through sexual activity has been seen by emergency room doctors, says James Roberts of Mercy Hospital of Philadelphia.
In a letter published in the Annals of Emergency Medicine in January, he reported treating a lap dancer for MRSA infections on her buttocks.
"She relayed that other lap dancers at her club had similar problems, considered a known occupational hazard by the women," he wrote.
Researcher Frank Lowy, lead author of the Columbia report, says the study indicates that people should refrain from sex if they have open lesions. "They have to be alert to the fact there's a new bug in town," he says, "and one potential means of transmission is sexual activity."
Vigorous arm rubbing and pounding...well there has to be a better way to condition.
Van
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Sorry it took a while for me to get to this one. I had a most busy travel week.
Fred and Jake are hitting on the high points here. Nasty stuff has been around for a very long time. And the real issues aren't in the karate dojos. Instead they are on the wrestling mats and the grappling rings. For generations this is where boys and young men have picked up all sorts of nasty viral, fungal, bacterial, and parasitic infections.
MRSA (mer-sah) is a media darling, sort of like ebola virus. But MRSA isn't really the threat per se so much as is bad hygiene in general. It isn't the known that should scare us; it is the preventable unknown.
One of the more striking events in my life was seeing my Phillips Exeter newsletter, with reports and news from each of the years' classes. At first I didn't understand why there were so many notices of deaths from young men in their 20s and 30s. Then it hit me. I went to an elite school with a student body that had just turned coed (800 boys and 40 girls), and displayed a preponderance of socially liberal values. A certain percentage of that population was freely exchanging bodily fluids there and in their subsequent lives without most people noticing. And just as men who frequented San Francisco bathhouses started dropping like flies for unknown reasons, so too did this population that was totally unaware of a new virus that was spreading because of ignorance.
What works for more common infections and infestations generally works for anything yet to come. Prevention and not cure is the key here. Whenever I taught large classes at a University, I made good hygiene a class objective. I got the gymnasium management involved in regularly cleaning floors, mats, and weight lifting equipment. We swept our own floors before starting classes. People with any visible infection or cut were not allowed to participate in partner exercises. And all were made to sign a pledge to notify me of any medical issues that would be relevant to participating in the class.
As for the definition of a lesion, well... A Doctor Steven Meixel of UVa described it as a "thing" on your skin. It is any kind of cut, opening, infection, bump, or other entity. With respect to something like MRSA, it is a place where an infection can pass in either direction.
Here are simple things that everyone should do. Some have already been mentioned, so you'll see that everyone is on the same page.
1) Clean floors regularly. Sweep the floors before a class.
2) Wipe mats with a disinfectant solution before anyone goes on the mat. My son's wrestling coach last year - a coach who brought 5 teams to a state championship title - would personally wipe the mats down himself. He used a disinfectant-soaked towel wrapped around the end of a push broom. He didn't delegate the task to a flunkie who may or may not do the job right.
3) Shower regularly. Come to workout clean.
4) Wash your workout attire regularly. Use detergent, bleach (peroxide or chlorine bleach) and ideally at least warm water. Hot water is better. If you have blood on a workout item, wash it first in cold water before running the attire through a hot water cycle. That way you won't permanently set a blood stain.
5) Don't forget your workout equipment. Clean regularly - ideally with a disinfectant-soaked towel or spray. Make sure all equipment is allowed to dry before re-use.
6) As was suggested above, clean yourself immediately after a workout. In my case since I don't regularly do grappling, I will at least wash my feet, forearms, and hands with soap and water before leaving the gym. (I will actually use the sinks to wash my feet, and put my socks on paper-towel-dried feet before they hit the slippers again. It's great training for your crane stance.
) If you are going to use gymnasium showers, use shower shoes to keep from picking up foot infections (athlete's foot, plantar warts, etc.).
7) Make students aware of the importance of cleanliness. When you have large groups, have them sign forms which make them pledge to keep themselves and their attire clean, and to seek a physician's advice for all medical issues.
8. Don't forget after-hours activities. The training halls and dojos aren't the only places where "contact sports" take place. Good hygiene and safe practices should be a way of life.
9) Have disinfectant equipment (peroxide, towels, etc.) available for blood spills in the dojo. Treat even the blood of a nun as a toxic stubstance.
10) Immediately clean all cuts and abrasions, and apply a petroleum-based disinfectant ointment such as Neosporin. (Check for petrolatum as opposed to cream for the "inactive ingredient". Even without the antibiotics present, petroleum jelly works pretty well to prevent infection and promote healing.)
Bill
Fred and Jake are hitting on the high points here. Nasty stuff has been around for a very long time. And the real issues aren't in the karate dojos. Instead they are on the wrestling mats and the grappling rings. For generations this is where boys and young men have picked up all sorts of nasty viral, fungal, bacterial, and parasitic infections.
MRSA (mer-sah) is a media darling, sort of like ebola virus. But MRSA isn't really the threat per se so much as is bad hygiene in general. It isn't the known that should scare us; it is the preventable unknown.
One of the more striking events in my life was seeing my Phillips Exeter newsletter, with reports and news from each of the years' classes. At first I didn't understand why there were so many notices of deaths from young men in their 20s and 30s. Then it hit me. I went to an elite school with a student body that had just turned coed (800 boys and 40 girls), and displayed a preponderance of socially liberal values. A certain percentage of that population was freely exchanging bodily fluids there and in their subsequent lives without most people noticing. And just as men who frequented San Francisco bathhouses started dropping like flies for unknown reasons, so too did this population that was totally unaware of a new virus that was spreading because of ignorance.
What works for more common infections and infestations generally works for anything yet to come. Prevention and not cure is the key here. Whenever I taught large classes at a University, I made good hygiene a class objective. I got the gymnasium management involved in regularly cleaning floors, mats, and weight lifting equipment. We swept our own floors before starting classes. People with any visible infection or cut were not allowed to participate in partner exercises. And all were made to sign a pledge to notify me of any medical issues that would be relevant to participating in the class.
As for the definition of a lesion, well... A Doctor Steven Meixel of UVa described it as a "thing" on your skin. It is any kind of cut, opening, infection, bump, or other entity. With respect to something like MRSA, it is a place where an infection can pass in either direction.
Here are simple things that everyone should do. Some have already been mentioned, so you'll see that everyone is on the same page.
1) Clean floors regularly. Sweep the floors before a class.
2) Wipe mats with a disinfectant solution before anyone goes on the mat. My son's wrestling coach last year - a coach who brought 5 teams to a state championship title - would personally wipe the mats down himself. He used a disinfectant-soaked towel wrapped around the end of a push broom. He didn't delegate the task to a flunkie who may or may not do the job right.
3) Shower regularly. Come to workout clean.
4) Wash your workout attire regularly. Use detergent, bleach (peroxide or chlorine bleach) and ideally at least warm water. Hot water is better. If you have blood on a workout item, wash it first in cold water before running the attire through a hot water cycle. That way you won't permanently set a blood stain.
5) Don't forget your workout equipment. Clean regularly - ideally with a disinfectant-soaked towel or spray. Make sure all equipment is allowed to dry before re-use.
6) As was suggested above, clean yourself immediately after a workout. In my case since I don't regularly do grappling, I will at least wash my feet, forearms, and hands with soap and water before leaving the gym. (I will actually use the sinks to wash my feet, and put my socks on paper-towel-dried feet before they hit the slippers again. It's great training for your crane stance.
) If you are going to use gymnasium showers, use shower shoes to keep from picking up foot infections (athlete's foot, plantar warts, etc.).7) Make students aware of the importance of cleanliness. When you have large groups, have them sign forms which make them pledge to keep themselves and their attire clean, and to seek a physician's advice for all medical issues.
8. Don't forget after-hours activities. The training halls and dojos aren't the only places where "contact sports" take place. Good hygiene and safe practices should be a way of life.
9) Have disinfectant equipment (peroxide, towels, etc.) available for blood spills in the dojo. Treat even the blood of a nun as a toxic stubstance.
10) Immediately clean all cuts and abrasions, and apply a petroleum-based disinfectant ointment such as Neosporin. (Check for petrolatum as opposed to cream for the "inactive ingredient". Even without the antibiotics present, petroleum jelly works pretty well to prevent infection and promote healing.)
Bill
