Proper "Shime" or Testing of Okinwan Goju Ryu Sanc

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Proper "Shime" or Testing of Okinwan Goju Ryu Sanc

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SUGGESTED GUIDE FOR CORRECT SANCHIN
SHIMÉ TESTING
These should always be performed in the same sequence and once completed another cycle must be administered.


* Start by moving to the rear of the student and down at the soles of the feet and feel
the inside edge of the feet to check that the arches of
the soles are not raised. Do the same with the outside
edge of the feet.
* Grab the ankles to assist
the student in rooting his stance to the floor and to
concentrate power into his legs and feet.
* Place your toe in front of
the students toe and press your knee onto his knee,
trying to force it backwards. The knee should not move
back, this ensures that the feet are rooted to the floor
and the quadriceps (thigh) muscles are activated. Care
must be exercised that too much or erratic pressure is
not applied - a firm and consistent pressure would be the
right blend.
* Slap against the side of
the thighs at two short intervals so that concentration
of power is focused here and locked in.
* Apply the same slaps to the
buttock muscles and kick up gently but firmly between the
students legs. This ensure that the muscles inside the
thighs are also focused and tightened.
* Place you palm against his
stomach and firmly gently against the tanden.
* Check that the students
spine is straight by running your hand up along it to the
base of the neck. Then with the palm of your hand press
at regular intervals against the students back so that
focus is also maintained here.
* Move up the shoulders and
firstly placed your hands on them so that the students
tightens the muscle in that location. Then slap down
firmly making sure that you stay clear of the neck and
its immediate surrounds.
* Reverse the procedure that
was used to ensure that the spine was straight, by
starting at the neck and running your hand down the spine
the approximately its base
* Go around to face the
student and feel the tanden again, making sure that
strength is focus here as well.
* As the student extends his
arm on punching, add resistance by placing you palm heel
on the fist and firmly pushing against the punch. Do not
add too much resistance so as to hamper the students
posture and concentration.
* When the student blocks
chudan uke, apply firm resistance to that as well. When
the students performs morote osae uke and mawashi uke
apply pressure using both of your hands and adding equal
resistance to both the students hands
* Continually observe the
students face and skin color and stop the students if
signs of undue stress or pressure is noticed. The
teachers slaps and kicks should be firm but never
damaging.
* Whilst the teacher is
applying the testing he must also observe that the
students breathing is co-ordinated with his movements.
* Continue the cycle by going
back to the soles of the feet and starting the procedure
again.



The purpose of shimé testing is
also focus on parts of the body that is not actively being used
and not to forget about them, thus enabling one to concentrate
and focus on the whole body at the same time. This training is a
wonderful method to enhance your spirit and even though your body
feel a bit battered after Sanchin shimé you feel very elevated.
Only through consistent Sanchin training would one reap it's
benefits. Sanchin training and hojo undo is a great combination
to ensure a good physique and strong spirit.



Miyagi Sensei performs Shime (testing)

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Very nice, Jim. Thanks.

Note that the teacher isn't engaged in gratuitous beating of the student.

Where did some of the Uechi crowd go wrong on shime? It doesn't make sense to me.

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Bill Glasheen wrote:Very nice, Jim. Thanks.

Note that the teacher isn't engaged in gratuitous beating of the student.

Where did some of the Uechi crowd go wrong on shime? It doesn't make sense to me.

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My Sensei, Teruo Chinen often reminds us not to take advantage of our students. We are admonished not to strike too hard and to protect them.

But he has been known to leave hand marks from the slaps which he called "Chinese Tattoos". :bad-words: :crazyeyes:
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" Where did some of the Uechi crowd go wrong on shime? It doesn't make sense to me. "


Very true in some cases. Anybody from the Okikukai crowd ever had the unpleasant experience of being abused by Mr. Takamyagi on any of his U.S. tours?
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Josann wrote:
Bill Glasheen wrote:
Where did some of the Uechi crowd go wrong on shime? It doesn't make sense to me.
Very true in some cases. Anybody from the Okikukai crowd ever had the unpleasant experience of being abused by Mr. Takamyagi on any of his U.S. tours?
I won't name names in terms of teachers. But the guilty teachers know whom they are.

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This story was told to me by a teacher of a Germany dojo

Word has it from Germany that a few Masters came to visit. One of them (ahem) had this penchant for kicking people in the back of the legs with his sokusen. Well as the days went on and Sanchin shime time came up, the lines for this "master" got shorter and shorter. Gee... wonder why? :roll:

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This story was told to me by David Finkelstein

One of my teachers from years back, David Finkelstein, had an opportunity to be tested by visiting Masters. One of them (ahem) was beating the %#$@ out of the students in Sanchin shime. So what did Dave do? After being tested once, he got back in line. After being tested a second time, he got in line again. When this master faced him the third time around, he just threw his hands up.

When someone asked Dave what he was doing, he stated "I was trying to break his ****ing hand."

Gotta love that Dave! 8)

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This story story was told to me by Bob Campbell

Years back when Bobby Campbell fought in the All Okinawa Tournament, he did extremely well in the championship round against Shinjo Kiyohide. Kiyohide San won, but Bobby showed both extraordinary skill AND class. (Long story...) And a certain "master" was officiating the match and scolding Bobby all the way through it because Bobby wasn't doing what he wanted. (Another long story...)

Later in the Okinawa trip, Bobby went up for a promotional. This "master" got up to test Bobby's Sanchin, and started beating the %@#$ out of him. Shinjo Seiyu, Kiyohide San's father, was on the board. He got up, grabbed the "master" by the collar, and tossed him away in a manner similar to the way you would treat an unruly child. He went up to Bobby, touched his belly, and then yelled Hajime!

Class meets class! 8)

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This story was told to me by George Mattson

George once had a certain "master" testing his Sanchin. When it was clear that the "master" was going to hit him with a blow that would send him sailing back, George bladed his sweaty body ever so slightly. The "master" went sprawling onto the floor.

There's a lesson there somewhere! 8)

- Bill

P.S. Name(s) were withheld to protect the not-so-innocent. ;)
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:lol: 8)

Great list of stories. The "old" days....come back to me too.

A yudansha from Chile was visiting us during a week-long gasshuku with Chinen Sensei. He was new to our group and was being evaluated for membership.

He was a PUKO Kata and Kumite champion and was a bit harsh when he was doing technique against others in kumite and injured a few folks that trained opposite him as his uke.

About Wednesday, Chinen had enough and started working on Sanchin kata and called him up. Throughout this guy's extended performance of Sanchin (rather than 3 steps-Chinen had him do 6, rather than 5 punches he had him do 20) Sensei explained the dojo kun to him "Take care of your health"(and others) "Train considering your physical strength" "Do not be too proud or modest", etc.

This was the only time that I saw Chinen use slaps that eventually caused the guy to have black and blue hand marks on the top of his trapezius. He did not strike maliciously or harder than the others he tested; but he did focus on this guy ego and traps.

A learning experience for all of us! Here is Higaonna Morio Sensei performing Shime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5xD2Ph9CPo
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Kuma-de wrote::lol: 8)

Great list of stories. The "old" days....come back to me too.

A yudansha from Chile was visiting us during a week-long gasshuku with Chinen Sensei. He was new to our group and was being evaluated for membership.

He was a PUKO Kata and Kumite champion and was a bit harsh when he was doing technique against others in kumite and injured a few folks that trained opposite him as his uke.

About Wednesday, Chinen had enough and started working on Sanchin kata and called him up. Throughout this guy's extended performance of Sanchin (rather than 3 steps-Chinen had him do 6, rather than 5 punches he had him do 20) Sensei explained the dojo kun to him "Take care of your health"(and others) "Train considering your physical strength" "Do not be too proud or modest", etc.

This was the only time that I saw Chinen use slaps that eventually caused the guy to have black and blue hand marks on the top of his trapezius. He did not strike maliciously or harder than the others he tested; but he did focus on this guy ego and traps.

A learning experience for all of us! Here is Higaonna Morio Sensei performing Shime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5xD2Ph9CPo
I got a question of placing dynamic tension with conventional exercise.

When is it appropriate, what is the best time or best way to use it?
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Question:

Why no shime to the face?
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AAAhmed46 wrote:
I got a question of placing dynamic tension with conventional exercise.

When is it appropriate, what is the best time or best way to use it?
Good question, Adam!

At one time I practiced Goju regularly (I learned all kata but Suparinpei). So I've had a lot of experience practicing Goju Sanchin and Tensho.

I often tell my students that karate isn't a religion, and kata are not dogma. Karate kata are designed for you to take the pieces and parts out of the box to be played with in whatever fashion is useful to you. In fact Kanbun rarely performed a kata from beginning to end, or had students do the same. For the most part, his training consisted of having people work on sections, aspects of, and ideas from the kata. Creative training often involved both partners and "toys."

What I have retained from Goju Sanchin and Tensho is the concept of doing movement with dynamic tension. For me, I use it to warm the body up in class when there aren't any toys or machines around. Another really great use of the dynamic tension movements is working body parts in-between weight lifting days. I have found that particularly useful when I know I have worked one area of the body very hard, and know I might have a day or two of soreness. The dynamic tension work for that area will help flush the affected area (muscles, tendons, and joints) with fresh fluids to aid in the healing and rebuilding process.

Quite often in my class I'll do basic body motions with dynamic tension, combined with the dragon breathing. This way I'm warming up the specific area of the body, training the breathing muscles, and teaching the student how to coordinate breathing and movement. (Complicated, to say the least...)

Examples of exercises I might do would be:
  • Basic action/reaction karate punches. I often have people stand in a horse stance so the leg muscles are also getting some exercise.
  • Alternating between overhead press and lat pulldown.
  • Arms going forward, up, and back, and alternately down and backwards as if pushing off ski poles at the ski slopes. I make students combine the arm movement with core muscle movements as well. With arms going up, I make the student arch the back (including letting the glutes go out). With the arms going down and back, I make the student crunch and tuck.
  • Some Uechi kata movements are perfect for doing in dynamic tension. One is the hand squeezes in-between the double thrusts. There's no harm in just doing the hand squeezes alone to warm up finger joints, flush finger tendons, and work those muscles. The same goes for the thrust, grab, and turn motion in Seisan. That movement involves some wrist work as well as finger work. Just take the upper body part out of the kata and go for it. I'll often do either or both of these on weightlifting days where I'm working the forearms and grips. They are great to sprinkle in-between classic forearm/wrist weightlifting or Uechi hand training exercises.
  • "Scarecrow" exercises. This is great for working the rotator cuff mucles and the shoulder joints in general. This is easy to show, but difficult to describe with words.
  • Various toe and ankle exercises. Again, easy to show but difficult to describe. I've had a lot of success lately teaching the sokusen via these exercies. They are great to do just before doing kicking, so the student pays better attention to the foot when doing kicking techniques.
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Hi Adam,

I am an advocate of dynamic tension exercises as it relates to karate training. We also utilize the older Okinawan implements for range of motion and weight training.

As Bill stated above, it is a great way of substituting your weight training on your off days. I would also suggest that I have found that by practicing the dynamic tension exercises throughout various kata besides Sanchin and Tensho often exposes problems of balance, technical points and "muchimi".

Muchimi is the correct amount of tension that is used while stepping and moving that allows you to accept your opponents technique and enables you to change the attacks direction.

This is best learned using "Kakie" (Kar-kee-ai) which is a Chi Sao type technique Seen below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVoeY5Bmm6c
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Bill Glasheen wrote:Very nice, Jim. Thanks.

Note that the teacher isn't engaged in gratuitous beating of the student.

Where did some of the Uechi crowd go wrong on shime? It doesn't make sense to me.

- Bill
You will find the aforementioned in this repulsive clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl2yhQrG87M
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Post by chef »

Strangest looking Sanchin I have ever seen.

The posture of the man testing the student is horrendous...plus he's bouncing all over the place....what the hell is he supposed to be testing, anyway, plyometric response?

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