Wow, even fox hates this lady.

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:47 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c75OtUlWC0

Politics with KIDS!?!?

I mean schit, i have friends who are of a completely different political spectrum then i am. And i associate with them.

KIDS!?!?!?

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:17 pm

You haven't seen anything, Adam. I am in a "swing" state. The ads have been nonstop. The campaigning is getting ugly. And we are very, very tired of it all.

Every day I have to clean my street of all the campaign trash.

Emotions are high but it will soon all be over. Then the public gets 4 more years of poking fun at a new person in government.

- Bill

mhosea · Post by **mhosea** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:39 pm

I guess that's one of the benefits of living in Massachusetts I hadn't considered--not much "swing" in this state.

Speaking of "poking fun", I can't wait to see what the Daily Show is going to be like.

Valkenar · Post by **Valkenar** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:19 pm

mhosea wrote:I guess that's one of the benefits of living in Massachusetts I hadn't considered--not much "swing" in this state. Speaking of "poking fun", I can't wait to see what the Daily Show is going to be like.

I'm curious what will happen to the Colbert Report if Obama wins and the democrats hold majorities in the house/senate. Tonight they're doing a joint live thing of some sort though. Should be interesting.

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:58 pm

Valkenar wrote:
mhosea wrote:I guess that's one of the benefits of living in Massachusetts I hadn't considered--not much "swing" in this state. Speaking of "poking fun", I can't wait to see what the Daily Show is going to be like.
I'm curious what will happen to the Colbert Report if Obama wins and the democrats hold majorities in the house/senate. Tonight they're doing a joint live thing of some sort though. Should be interesting.

Jon Stewart and Colbert had BETTER come down hard on Obama like they did bush.

Of course, that depends on how much Obama gives for them to bite.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:45 pm

AAAhmed46 wrote:
Jon Stewart and Colbert had BETTER come down hard on Obama like they did bush.

Of course, that depends on how much Obama gives for them to bite.

Jon Stewart probably will, as will many of the US late night comedians. Stewart IMO is genuinely funny and works all sides of the aisles.

Don't hold your breath for Colbert. Maybe he can run for office.

- Bill

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:53 pm

Bill Glasheen wrote:
AAAhmed46 wrote:
Jon Stewart and Colbert had BETTER come down hard on Obama like they did bush.

Of course, that depends on how much Obama gives for them to bite.
Jon Stewart probably will, as will many of the US late night comedians. Stewart IMO is genuinely funny and works all sides of the aisles.

Don't hold your breath for Colbert. Maybe he can run for office.

- Bill

I hope they run Obama through the grinder. If they don't, they would be guilty of the very same thing they critique fox news of.

Who knows what goes through colberts head. Stewart is a bit more factual then colbert, while colbert is just all over the place

IJ · Post by IJ » Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:09 pm

It's true that The Daily Show should take on any opportunities Obama gives them. However, they're not opposed to being biased and attacking Fox for bias at the same time. When Steward went on Crossfire, he accused them of a low level of discourse, and they replied he did the same. His defense was that he was on ComedyCentral, and the lead in show to his was about puppets making crank calls. He runs a highbrow comedy routine; he doesn't claim to be a "fair and balanced" news outlet. He's pretty clear about his loyalties and he does use his logic to attack others for failings he has himself. He's so charming he pulls it off well

I can stand Colbert for about 60 seconds, on the other hand.

Glenn · Post by **Glenn** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:06 pm

It's important to remember that Stewart and Colbert are doing comedy and each gets into a character for their shows. The Daily Show (from which The Colbert Report is a spin-off) did not start out with a political-comedy focus, it moved to that about a year after Stewart took the lead role as a result of success with that focus during the 2000 presidential election, and have been going stong with that focus ever since. If ratings changed, I don't doubt they would change from political-comedy to something else. Like any skit show, writers decide a lot of what they say. Any apparent bias could just as easily be written and an act, who knows what their true biases are. That's not to say neither Stewart nor Colbert aren't good at what they do, it all kinda comes together to create entertaining shows.

During the election they played off each other with opposing views, Stewart as more liberal and seeming to favor Obama, Colbert as more conservative and seeming to favor McCain (including having a McCain campaign banner in his studio). Each show contributed to and benefited from the other as a result. The culmunation of this dichotomy was their one-hour combined show election night, with Stewart playing the role of gloating and Colbert playing a role of not wanting to accept the results. I think it would be a mistake to say these represent their true personal views though.

As for how they will treat Obama, they ended up lampooning all candidates/campaigns quite freely during the campaign and there is nothing to indicate they won't go after any opportunity they have to make fun of Obama as president. It's what both shows do. They are actors highlighting the humor that can be found in what politicians do and say, it's best not to attribute more to them than that role in my opinion.

IJ · Post by IJ » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:26 pm

Well, I would be naive if I thought Stewart authored all his and his people's material, but I do believe we get insight into his thoughts from the general slant of the show, his own work during the writer's strike ("A" Daily Show, he called it), interviews on other shows and also his Daily Show interviews. I do wonder how many lines are prepared and thus could be the work of others.

I'd be shocked if Colbert voted McCain although I don't watch the Report. Somehow he's made a show largely out of lampooning Bill O'Reilly types... he does have his moments, like that interview with a hapless proponent of putting the ten commandments in schools.

mhosea · Post by **mhosea** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:54 pm

I suspect Stewart is more or less himself on his show, with the assistance of like-minded writers, while Colbert is playing a role. I doubt Colbert is politically conservative, but it's impossible to pin him down because he stays in character in appearances off his show, whereas Stewart has appeared as himself, so to speak.

Valkenar · Post by **Valkenar** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:26 am

If Colbert's views are anything but staunchly liberal I would be surprised, but anything is possible. Often I find his show to be a bit grating. The Colbert character is, to me, a funny gimmick that is played out and kind of toothless when the conservative pundits aren't in power, so to speak. But the writing is pretty good and I think Colbert himself may actually be a bit better at ad-libbing.

Overall I tend to think of the Colbert Report as a more extreme version of the Daily Show. There are more tired gags I personally didn't enjoy the 3rd time around on, but the show does do some very creative and innovative things, I think. I might say it's edgier if that wasn't such a cliche. The interviews are hit or miss, but he doesn't do as much of the boring "actor pimps new movie" stuff that I tend to skip on the Daily Show. I especially enjoy it when a musical guest comes on and he plays with them in some capacity.