OK, I made the decision to upgrade to Win2000! Guess what. The 2000 upgrade does not recognize ME. Its looking for a Win95 upgrade file!
c:\windows\upgdlls\w95upg.dll\win0XUPG\W95UPG.dll
Helpppppppp!
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Just discovered.... YOU CAN'T UPGRADE MILLENIUM to Win2000!
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Allen M.
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Man, talk about frustration. I just wrote a whole big thing here inside the forum editor and hit the escape key while reaching for the phone and it all went into the bit bucket. Aren't these computer things wonderful?
Rather than risking further reddening your neck, what does the upgrade say on the side of the box? Will it upgrade over NT? Can you get a return id unusable?
Where'dja get it?
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Allen Moulton from Uechi-ryu Etcetera
Rather than risking further reddening your neck, what does the upgrade say on the side of the box? Will it upgrade over NT? Can you get a return id unusable?
Where'dja get it?
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George,
Do you know someone that has a Windows `95 cd you can borrow? Sometimes it will ask for the cd as proof of Win 9x ownership.
Chuck
Do you know someone that has a Windows `95 cd you can borrow? Sometimes it will ask for the cd as proof of Win 9x ownership.
Chuck
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I had just assumed ME could be upgraded to win2000. Not true. Next time I'll read the box more carefully.
Checked MS site and ME requires a total win2000 installation!
Guess I'll have to settle for ME performance until my next computer purchase. Meanwhile, I'll upgrade my Toshiba computer for Susan.
Interesting sidenote: Systemax (company that sold me the computer) tells me they will be bundling their computers with 2000 instead of ME later this year!
Will ME be considered an orphan soon?
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Checked MS site and ME requires a total win2000 installation!
Guess I'll have to settle for ME performance until my next computer purchase. Meanwhile, I'll upgrade my Toshiba computer for Susan.
Interesting sidenote: Systemax (company that sold me the computer) tells me they will be bundling their computers with 2000 instead of ME later this year!
Will ME be considered an orphan soon?
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Allen M.
ME to 2000!!!!
Whistler is about to take over ME for you. It's supposed to be a multimedia user's dream -- until they wake up. I'll put my dough on 2000 though.
Off the record, I heard that it was the SUN which caused the earthquake in Seattle to swallow up BG as they rushed him out of the podium, where he was giving a speech, to safety.
Can you return the upgrade copy and/or get a refund toward the real 2000?
Where is, and who is, Systemax, George. They seem to be about a year-and-a-half behind the technology times. You really owe it to yourself to pay PCs for Everyone in Cambridge a visit. They'll do you right every time.
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Off the record, I heard that it was the SUN which caused the earthquake in Seattle to swallow up BG as they rushed him out of the podium, where he was giving a speech, to safety.
Can you return the upgrade copy and/or get a refund toward the real 2000?
Where is, and who is, Systemax, George. They seem to be about a year-and-a-half behind the technology times. You really owe it to yourself to pay PCs for Everyone in Cambridge a visit. They'll do you right every time.
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ME to 2000!!!!
I'm going to use the upgrade for Sue's machine. I also use it as a backup machine.
I'll take your advice next time, Al. I don't know anything about the company. Bought the machine on Home Shopping!
I can hear the belly laughs from Florida already!!! Oh well, it was cheap!
I'll take your advice next time, Al. I don't know anything about the company. Bought the machine on Home Shopping!
I can hear the belly laughs from Florida already!!! Oh well, it was cheap!
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Tony-San
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George, believe me... i'm not laughing....
In fact, it only reinforces my desire to get a machine with Linux on it. I really want to get away from Microsoft stuff.
I don't think the learning curve will be that hard to tackle. I hear the Linux GUI is easy as pie.
Tony
In fact, it only reinforces my desire to get a machine with Linux on it. I really want to get away from Microsoft stuff.
I don't think the learning curve will be that hard to tackle. I hear the Linux GUI is easy as pie.
Tony
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Allen M.
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No one's laughing, George. We're talking you through a problem in the manner this forum is set up to do.
Tony, the learning curve may not be that tough to handle, but I could buy a new small car (and they are cheap) with what it would cost me to convert all my software over to a UNIX flavor, especially with three machined going. Then, with multiple machines to maintain, the headaches seemed to be exponentially raised. It's like the saying that when everything is working right and working smoothly it is time to upgrade. Not here, my good friend.
Last year I worked opposite another engineer who got Linux at home and in the beginning just repeated all the good words he heard. As time wore on, however, his patience wore down and he was sorry he made the transition because of software problems, driver problems, things not working right, unhappy with Red Hat support, etc. and finally went back to NT. But then he is a software developer such as I am and could not find the tools he wanted that he was so accustomed to using, hence I shied away from it.
Now, and I've had UNIX strains at home before, if I was to do it today, I'd put Red Hat or any other choice of derivative of UNIX on a secondary machine then build it up slowly as time goes on with one little piece of software at the time until I got to where I wanted to be with it -- while my primary machine was still purring like a kitten.
That's MY approach, so please don't get upset, Tony. I know you love UNIX, and I like it too, but I'm tired of emptying my bank account out over operating systems and related software. Maybe if yesterday's Seattle e-quake would have swallowed Bill Gates up I might think differently.
George, when and if you ever decide to try the PCS for... route, I'll give you some hardware guidance, just a few initial pointers to help set you up with the BASIC machine then you'd be on your own. Call them and see what kind of service and support they offer. And if you ever go there on your own, get there BEFORE 10am else there will be no place left to park, not even in the illegal parking areas on the road. In the short-haul it is not the cheapest nor the most expensive, but in the long haul it can save big bux. And they do have LINUX.
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Tony, the learning curve may not be that tough to handle, but I could buy a new small car (and they are cheap) with what it would cost me to convert all my software over to a UNIX flavor, especially with three machined going. Then, with multiple machines to maintain, the headaches seemed to be exponentially raised. It's like the saying that when everything is working right and working smoothly it is time to upgrade. Not here, my good friend.
Last year I worked opposite another engineer who got Linux at home and in the beginning just repeated all the good words he heard. As time wore on, however, his patience wore down and he was sorry he made the transition because of software problems, driver problems, things not working right, unhappy with Red Hat support, etc. and finally went back to NT. But then he is a software developer such as I am and could not find the tools he wanted that he was so accustomed to using, hence I shied away from it.
Now, and I've had UNIX strains at home before, if I was to do it today, I'd put Red Hat or any other choice of derivative of UNIX on a secondary machine then build it up slowly as time goes on with one little piece of software at the time until I got to where I wanted to be with it -- while my primary machine was still purring like a kitten.
That's MY approach, so please don't get upset, Tony. I know you love UNIX, and I like it too, but I'm tired of emptying my bank account out over operating systems and related software. Maybe if yesterday's Seattle e-quake would have swallowed Bill Gates up I might think differently.
George, when and if you ever decide to try the PCS for... route, I'll give you some hardware guidance, just a few initial pointers to help set you up with the BASIC machine then you'd be on your own. Call them and see what kind of service and support they offer. And if you ever go there on your own, get there BEFORE 10am else there will be no place left to park, not even in the illegal parking areas on the road. In the short-haul it is not the cheapest nor the most expensive, but in the long haul it can save big bux. And they do have LINUX.
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Tony-San
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Allen,
Thanks for the advice, i'll consider it. I really don't have alot of different software to worry about. This particular machine and all it's perephrials will most likely end up with the teenager so i'll be starting from scratch on my next machine.
There is also the Beos OS that is out. i've heard that is doing pretty well. Developers are flocking towards it and i'm keeping my eye on it to see how it does.
it's at www.be.com
Tony
Thanks for the advice, i'll consider it. I really don't have alot of different software to worry about. This particular machine and all it's perephrials will most likely end up with the teenager so i'll be starting from scratch on my next machine.
There is also the Beos OS that is out. i've heard that is doing pretty well. Developers are flocking towards it and i'm keeping my eye on it to see how it does.
it's at www.be.com
Tony
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Allen M.
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Be what am is good -- for entertainment appliances! No? 
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Been thinking about doing a Redhat system as that is Dell's prefered linux style OS.
Last time I installed Redhat it was a snap, almost the same GUI based setup as Windows 9x. Great support for a 2 year old machine at the time.
Now Redhat is a fairly popular OS, they bundle a great package for the $$.
I mean $29.95 for the home user to $79.95 for the Workstation/poweruser isn't bad. Granted the Workstation version has a FULL Star Office 5.2 suite which the home user flavor doesn't. Star Office is Corel's M$ Office `97 equiv. and it handles M$ files very well!
As a websurfin' machine and liteweight graphix machine it is fine.
Last time I installed Redhat it was a snap, almost the same GUI based setup as Windows 9x. Great support for a 2 year old machine at the time.
Now Redhat is a fairly popular OS, they bundle a great package for the $$.
I mean $29.95 for the home user to $79.95 for the Workstation/poweruser isn't bad. Granted the Workstation version has a FULL Star Office 5.2 suite which the home user flavor doesn't. Star Office is Corel's M$ Office `97 equiv. and it handles M$ files very well!
As a websurfin' machine and liteweight graphix machine it is fine.
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Hello Tony.
I was careful to not offend you, and seeing I didn’t, I’ll go a little deeper with it what’s behind those written words.
First-off, I like UNIX, and will tell you that, as you righteously suspect, UNIX is the stable-est os of them all, and as far as I’m concerned it is the best os – except during infrequent core dumps. UNIX is written in “C” which means that you can go in and rewrite portions of it to tailor it to your specific needs, recompile the os and away you go. UNIX is small, and if you know dos you almost automatically know UNIX, it is like windows is to NT what dos is to UNIX UNIS is a Bell Laboratories, and [do I dare say] K&R invention. It wastruly God’s gift to the software world.
I am not a UNIX system person, rather I am a user of UNIX in the sense of developing military, industrial, and banking software applications in a number of programming languages on the system, and here is where the problems come in.
Fist, UNIX is supposed to be “UNIX” meaning that it is a common platform and that was it’s claim to fame 20 years ago. It is NOT any longer, and although it started out that way, many flavors of UNIX exist and try to coexist in the world today. Couple that with the fact that each variety of UNIX has it’s own special version of the K&R “C” compiler. C++ has helped but not solved the difficulties.
The greatest problems that I have/find with UNIX and it’s derivatives is during building a single application to run on all these flavors. “Porting” is the correct terminology to indicate such valiant feats. I have seen some of the worst code abortions never ever possibly imaginable in a thousand years in dealing with the code behind applications written for them to execute under the UNIX system. AND THIS IS WHERE a BIG PROBLEM IS. These code jewels propagate right down to the end-user, folks like you and I but not technically qualified for the most part, who don’t even know what a for loop is and could even care less. Every time I prepare to port code, one of the first things to check for is the #ifdefs of every possible variant under the sun [maybe even SUN]. Then when getting into the code, especially the older code I wonder if it ever worked and/or why it ever worked. It seems that an un-proportionately fairly large number of “C” developers under UNIX were right out of college and didn’t know the first thing about programming concepts, never mind about writing code. Every time I look at UNIX ‘C” code it is a rat’s nest of rats’ nests, definitely not what Dennis Richie foresaw for the future when he invented “C”.
Which brings me back to my prior post. UNIX and it’s derivatives are not ready yet to be accepted by the public at large as the operating system of choice. When I see THAT wave coming, I will be one of the first to jump on it, but not yet. Even in industry. Most everyone’s desktop, everywhere, is Microsoft powered and with good reason.
Linux has made large inroads into the consumer market, although an infinitesimally small one right now, and large software and hardware vendors have addressed issues pertaining to its usage on desktop PCs. Give it a few years and more products will become available, but be prepared to not have a lot of the tools you are used to using under Microsoft.
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I was careful to not offend you, and seeing I didn’t, I’ll go a little deeper with it what’s behind those written words.
First-off, I like UNIX, and will tell you that, as you righteously suspect, UNIX is the stable-est os of them all, and as far as I’m concerned it is the best os – except during infrequent core dumps. UNIX is written in “C” which means that you can go in and rewrite portions of it to tailor it to your specific needs, recompile the os and away you go. UNIX is small, and if you know dos you almost automatically know UNIX, it is like windows is to NT what dos is to UNIX UNIS is a Bell Laboratories, and [do I dare say] K&R invention. It wastruly God’s gift to the software world.
I am not a UNIX system person, rather I am a user of UNIX in the sense of developing military, industrial, and banking software applications in a number of programming languages on the system, and here is where the problems come in.
Fist, UNIX is supposed to be “UNIX” meaning that it is a common platform and that was it’s claim to fame 20 years ago. It is NOT any longer, and although it started out that way, many flavors of UNIX exist and try to coexist in the world today. Couple that with the fact that each variety of UNIX has it’s own special version of the K&R “C” compiler. C++ has helped but not solved the difficulties.
The greatest problems that I have/find with UNIX and it’s derivatives is during building a single application to run on all these flavors. “Porting” is the correct terminology to indicate such valiant feats. I have seen some of the worst code abortions never ever possibly imaginable in a thousand years in dealing with the code behind applications written for them to execute under the UNIX system. AND THIS IS WHERE a BIG PROBLEM IS. These code jewels propagate right down to the end-user, folks like you and I but not technically qualified for the most part, who don’t even know what a for loop is and could even care less. Every time I prepare to port code, one of the first things to check for is the #ifdefs of every possible variant under the sun [maybe even SUN]. Then when getting into the code, especially the older code I wonder if it ever worked and/or why it ever worked. It seems that an un-proportionately fairly large number of “C” developers under UNIX were right out of college and didn’t know the first thing about programming concepts, never mind about writing code. Every time I look at UNIX ‘C” code it is a rat’s nest of rats’ nests, definitely not what Dennis Richie foresaw for the future when he invented “C”.
Which brings me back to my prior post. UNIX and it’s derivatives are not ready yet to be accepted by the public at large as the operating system of choice. When I see THAT wave coming, I will be one of the first to jump on it, but not yet. Even in industry. Most everyone’s desktop, everywhere, is Microsoft powered and with good reason.
Linux has made large inroads into the consumer market, although an infinitesimally small one right now, and large software and hardware vendors have addressed issues pertaining to its usage on desktop PCs. Give it a few years and more products will become available, but be prepared to not have a lot of the tools you are used to using under Microsoft.
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Tony-San
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Allen: I love my computer but *offended*??? I don't love my computer that much.. hah hah
Chuck,
I'd like to check that out sometime.
Chuck,
I'd like to check that out sometime.
ME to 2000!!!!
Tony,
I'm hoping to have a test machine sometime mid-March. I downloaded the .iso's from a redhat mirror and burnt them to cd. 3 cd's total so about 2gig in data transfer took about 2 hours with burn time included. Gotta Love RoadRunner
I'm hoping to have a test machine sometime mid-March. I downloaded the .iso's from a redhat mirror and burnt them to cd. 3 cd's total so about 2gig in data transfer took about 2 hours with burn time included. Gotta Love RoadRunner
