Hi all,
Does anyone here cross-train? If so, in what styles? Is it hard to learn two different systems simultaneuosly? How do you divide your time- more on the new system? equally?
Is it better to cross-train with things that are similar like gojo-ryu adn gojushorin? Or would they be confused to easily? Would it be better to have taw kwon do and jujitsu, things that are very different?
Do you agree with cross-training? Should the knowledge from the first style be used in the second? ~ sjr
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Hello Sunsu8
Does anyone here cross-train? If so, in what styles?
I cross train in Shotokan, Self Defence and Arnis.
Is it hard to learn two different systems simultaneuosly?
I am fortunate in that the self defence manouvers I am being taught at the moment are shotokan manouvers so there is very little difference for me.
How do you divide your time- more on the new system? equally?
My alma mater is Shotokan. I spend most of my time doing that as I am only a 6th Kyu presently and would like to contimue to be graded in it. I do Arnis for the fun at the moment and if I can continue it I may look at further weapons later on.
Is it better to cross-train with things that are similar like gojo-ryu adn gojushorin? Or would they be confused to easily? Would it be better to have taw kwon do and jujitsu, things that are very different?
Hmm - well the Self defence is part of our syllabus and the Arnis isn't so I do a bit of both. (The same/similar and different MA)- maybe its down to each person?
Do you agree with cross-training? Should the knowledge from the first style be used in the second? ~ sjr
I agree with cross training myself. I have found that weapons training has explained a little of the empty hand training. I have taken some knowledge from one style to another I suppose but really it depends on how similar or not the martial arts are to each other.
Why do you ask? Are you thinking of crosstraining too?
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Melanie Box
Does anyone here cross-train? If so, in what styles?
I cross train in Shotokan, Self Defence and Arnis.
Is it hard to learn two different systems simultaneuosly?
I am fortunate in that the self defence manouvers I am being taught at the moment are shotokan manouvers so there is very little difference for me.
How do you divide your time- more on the new system? equally?
My alma mater is Shotokan. I spend most of my time doing that as I am only a 6th Kyu presently and would like to contimue to be graded in it. I do Arnis for the fun at the moment and if I can continue it I may look at further weapons later on.
Is it better to cross-train with things that are similar like gojo-ryu adn gojushorin? Or would they be confused to easily? Would it be better to have taw kwon do and jujitsu, things that are very different?
Hmm - well the Self defence is part of our syllabus and the Arnis isn't so I do a bit of both. (The same/similar and different MA)- maybe its down to each person?
Do you agree with cross-training? Should the knowledge from the first style be used in the second? ~ sjr
I agree with cross training myself. I have found that weapons training has explained a little of the empty hand training. I have taken some knowledge from one style to another I suppose but really it depends on how similar or not the martial arts are to each other.
Why do you ask? Are you thinking of crosstraining too?
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Melanie Box
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Hello:
Why I ask? I ask mostly out of curiosity. But I am also considering cross-training after I attain my shodan in my current style. I appreciate the information that you have given and sounds like you are well-rounded. I have considered goju-shorin and judo/ju-jitsu. I dunno. Just wanted a bit of knowledge to base my decision on. Thanks and maybe I will get some other replies and will compare. Thank you again and good luck training~ sjr
Why I ask? I ask mostly out of curiosity. But I am also considering cross-training after I attain my shodan in my current style. I appreciate the information that you have given and sounds like you are well-rounded. I have considered goju-shorin and judo/ju-jitsu. I dunno. Just wanted a bit of knowledge to base my decision on. Thanks and maybe I will get some other replies and will compare. Thank you again and good luck training~ sjr
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I cross train.
And I think the answer to most of your qestions is, "It depends." What works for me might not work for you.
I trained Shotokan for 6 years then Shorin-ji because the first club closed. I liked Shorin-ji better (everything from Shotokan was there but new concepts too.)
After 6 more years in Shorin-ji I started to train Arnis for circular flow patterns in my hands / arms and to scope out FAM use of weapons. (I found out that most of what I had learned in karate class about facing a weapon was completely innappropriate.) I also started Bagua Zhang for flow and circular stepping and body movements, turning etc. Then, I started work in cqc, combat self defense ending in the FAST program (http://fastdefense.ca)
Everything I've done has added to me as a martial artist and each art has influenced every other art. The whole progression has been from straight lines to more circular, more flexible, softer, training. I can often surprise a hard stylist with a soft technique and a soft stylist with a little real power.
But ask me what martial art I train and I say: "Karate!"
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The Fighting Old Man
And I think the answer to most of your qestions is, "It depends." What works for me might not work for you.
I trained Shotokan for 6 years then Shorin-ji because the first club closed. I liked Shorin-ji better (everything from Shotokan was there but new concepts too.)
After 6 more years in Shorin-ji I started to train Arnis for circular flow patterns in my hands / arms and to scope out FAM use of weapons. (I found out that most of what I had learned in karate class about facing a weapon was completely innappropriate.) I also started Bagua Zhang for flow and circular stepping and body movements, turning etc. Then, I started work in cqc, combat self defense ending in the FAST program (http://fastdefense.ca)
Everything I've done has added to me as a martial artist and each art has influenced every other art. The whole progression has been from straight lines to more circular, more flexible, softer, training. I can often surprise a hard stylist with a soft technique and a soft stylist with a little real power.
But ask me what martial art I train and I say: "Karate!"
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The Fighting Old Man
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I would suggest waiting untill at least blackbelt if you want to train in a 'similar' style. For example going from Japanese karate to a Chinese style. They both have punches but are executed differently. It could get confusing if you don't have a thorough understanding of the basics of the first style.
For totally different styles such as Japanese karate and Ju-Jitsu, I personally think it's a good idea to train them at the same time at any rank. The should flow nicely into each other...
"Here is the take down I learned in Karate, then here is how I finish the person after the takedown from Ju-Jitsu" for example.
All in my non-expert opinion.
For totally different styles such as Japanese karate and Ju-Jitsu, I personally think it's a good idea to train them at the same time at any rank. The should flow nicely into each other...
"Here is the take down I learned in Karate, then here is how I finish the person after the takedown from Ju-Jitsu" for example.
All in my non-expert opinion.
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Yikes! I hope I didn't come across as promoting Japanese and Chinese styles!, I was just using them as examples. Nothing wrong with all the other countries. In fact something very good about all the other countries.
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The School I practice in encourages exposure to other arts because it adds perspective to our training. But, I belong to only one school. Everything I am exposed to outside my home dojo I bring back to discuss and play with. I find that the experience of my instructors helps me understand so much more. Having two different schools would not work for me, personally, because the relationship I have with my instructors and fellow students is so good. It is really like a family. We all study and practice and learn and have ideas about things and then we get together and go through these things and all of us benefit.
Be carefull that cross-training does not disrupt your focus too much and have a negative effect. I was told that reaching at least shodan (or equivilent) in one style before branching out was advisable.
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ted
"I learn by going where I have to go." - Theodore Roethke
[This message has been edited by Ted Dinwiddie (edited June 15, 2002).]
Be carefull that cross-training does not disrupt your focus too much and have a negative effect. I was told that reaching at least shodan (or equivilent) in one style before branching out was advisable.
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ted
"I learn by going where I have to go." - Theodore Roethke
[This message has been edited by Ted Dinwiddie (edited June 15, 2002).]
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Thank you for your opinions. Shochin, you must really be familar in various areas of the martial arts and I guess that karate sums it up! lol Like what you said about that if anyone asks, "I take karate!" That's cool. Thank you for your advice!
TSDGuy, Thanks to you too! Seems to me like he way to go. I was considering something similar or just breaking isshinryu down into it's creators (Goju-ryu and Shorin-ryu) I thought about possibly looking into them. AFter all this though, I may just wait until I get older and then look into something diiferent. MAybe there will be a style offered at the college I go to. I dunno. Thanks fr you thoughts and I probably will stick to JApanese and Chinese arts. Thanks to both of you for helping me! MAybe others will send additional thoughts too!
~sjr
TSDGuy, Thanks to you too! Seems to me like he way to go. I was considering something similar or just breaking isshinryu down into it's creators (Goju-ryu and Shorin-ryu) I thought about possibly looking into them. AFter all this though, I may just wait until I get older and then look into something diiferent. MAybe there will be a style offered at the college I go to. I dunno. Thanks fr you thoughts and I probably will stick to JApanese and Chinese arts. Thanks to both of you for helping me! MAybe others will send additional thoughts too!
~sjr
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Thank you both!
TSD- Got your point lol. I meant the fact of using similar styles, followed your example of those two. lol Hope everything's straight with this now.
just kiddin.
Ted, I agree with you on several points. OUr dojo I feel is very "normal" but over the last 2 years that I have "settled" people come in and say they are looking at dojos and styles and stick with ours simply because we accept people and are like a family. Well put and your end. I can understand that. - I like your personal thoughts on branching out and I partially feel that way. I would like to possibly train a different style under my instructor's Sensei. I think this could be a bad plan also. See where i am comign from with that?
I will at least stay put until I am comfortable adn settled into shodan and possibly even nidan. Thank you again for your thoughts and time taken to read/reply to my post.
Liberty
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TSD- Got your point lol. I meant the fact of using similar styles, followed your example of those two. lol Hope everything's straight with this now.
just kiddin.Ted, I agree with you on several points. OUr dojo I feel is very "normal" but over the last 2 years that I have "settled" people come in and say they are looking at dojos and styles and stick with ours simply because we accept people and are like a family. Well put and your end. I can understand that. - I like your personal thoughts on branching out and I partially feel that way. I would like to possibly train a different style under my instructor's Sensei. I think this could be a bad plan also. See where i am comign from with that?
I will at least stay put until I am comfortable adn settled into shodan and possibly even nidan. Thank you again for your thoughts and time taken to read/reply to my post.
Liberty
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Isshin-ryu
