Please visit:
http://www.shuaichiao.org/html_files/throw_alley/throw_alley_index.htm
And watch the first video on the left "cao to backward kicking"
(or go under the high bandwidth files and watch any of the other "cao" throws)
Then please envision the sanseiryu shoken downblock movement in the horse stance followed by the scooping shoken grab and throw. For me, this video clip shows a bunkai that has made the most sense to me yet. You see that the person doing the throw enters, lowers his body weight and steps through the center of the person he is throwing.
Then you see how the forward leg lifts up and becomes available for grabbing and jerking to pull the head into the ground faster than the body to "help" the fall work better.
I've been exploring "shui chio" or "san shou kuai jiao" which is the chinese tradition of using throws in free fighting. I've bought "Chinese Fast Wrestling for Fighting" and the pictures tell me a story about what might be happening when you step forward into those low stances in Uechi.
Seisan may be the streetfighters striking kata. And Sanseiryu may be the streetfighter's throwing kata -- you don't have to hit them several times because you have already sent them smashing into the ground on into a nearby object. Uechi is known as a style that has only kept what works. This throw, in particular, is one I could see many uechi-ka doing very well.
Dana
[This message has been edited by Dana Sheets (edited June 23, 2002).]
Sanseiryu "downblock"
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Dana Sheets
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No charge.
I know Matt Furey is the guy who has really tried to popularize Shuai Chiao and seems to be doing well. But there are just some excellent techniques are really look like common sense movements.
Have we ever had a shuai chaio person at summer camp? YMAA is in Boston - they might be willing to come out and show us a demo or something.
In particular I like the tradition of having many throws that leave you standing while the other guy is on the ground. That seems the best way, by far, to go about throwing folks. And, it becomes really amazing just how far or how hard you can throw someone if you stay on your feet.
Dana
I know Matt Furey is the guy who has really tried to popularize Shuai Chiao and seems to be doing well. But there are just some excellent techniques are really look like common sense movements.
Have we ever had a shuai chaio person at summer camp? YMAA is in Boston - they might be willing to come out and show us a demo or something.
In particular I like the tradition of having many throws that leave you standing while the other guy is on the ground. That seems the best way, by far, to go about throwing folks. And, it becomes really amazing just how far or how hard you can throw someone if you stay on your feet.
Dana
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Standing grappling/throws is becoming one of my favourite things also , lots of room in this area for expirementation , love how the stances are utilised and make so much sense .
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Hi all....I always envision the "downblock" as a very effective striking technique...
From the "ready" position of one hand up and one down (before the strike).
Instead of thinking it as a ready position, envision this: the top hand is striking from back to front on the opponent's jaw and the bottom hand is striking into the center of the body on Stomach 25 or on the Conception Meridian.
Becky
From the "ready" position of one hand up and one down (before the strike).
Instead of thinking it as a ready position, envision this: the top hand is striking from back to front on the opponent's jaw and the bottom hand is striking into the center of the body on Stomach 25 or on the Conception Meridian.
Becky
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Additionally...
You go into the deep stance and do a low scissors strike with your hands you could be doing a take down or you could be striking the bladder & the kidey to soften them up.
Then, and your forward hand slams in and down against their center to throw them your reverse hand grabs what is between his legs and yanks back.
(keep in mind the kata were developed before everybody wore blue jeans)
This push/pull motion sends him toppling back to crack the back of his head on the floor.
Then, instead of using the scooping shoken to toss them away - you use it to twist them in place, slide in and finish with strikes to the vital areas (neck, armpit, floating rib -- etc)
There is a very important element of SINKING when you apply these lower stance techniques. You've got to get your center under their center as you hit them so that you're not just hitting them with your arms, but dropping the weight of your body down through them.
Dana
You go into the deep stance and do a low scissors strike with your hands you could be doing a take down or you could be striking the bladder & the kidey to soften them up.
Then, and your forward hand slams in and down against their center to throw them your reverse hand grabs what is between his legs and yanks back.
(keep in mind the kata were developed before everybody wore blue jeans)
This push/pull motion sends him toppling back to crack the back of his head on the floor.
Then, instead of using the scooping shoken to toss them away - you use it to twist them in place, slide in and finish with strikes to the vital areas (neck, armpit, floating rib -- etc)
There is a very important element of SINKING when you apply these lower stance techniques. You've got to get your center under their center as you hit them so that you're not just hitting them with your arms, but dropping the weight of your body down through them.
Dana
