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Someone sent me this url, which posts pictures that makes a pretty convincing argument that the Pentagon damage Sept 11th was from a bomb rather than an airplane. However, didn't the news report a plane with passengers missing that supposedly hit the building? What do you think? http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gmattson:
Someone sent me this url, which posts pictures that makes a pretty convincing argument that the Pentagon damage Sept 11th was from a bomb rather than an airplane. However, didn't the news report a plane with passengers missing that supposedly hit the building? What do you think? http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Respectfully,
This is an urban legend. A friend of mine who is an Air Force Major (and liason to the FAA at the time) was in the tower at Reagan National and WITNESSED the plane's impact, according to her.
She was the one who ordered Reagan shut down, on the spot and helped mobilize rescue efforts from that end. Major Bernissier (which I may have misspelled) had a very tough day on 9/11. I believe that her husband was supposed to be at a meeting at the Pentagon that morning, but was unhurt. I'm not certain he was even on the premesis at the time.
CNN also had some footage of the tail section being removed from the scene, if I recall correctly as well.
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
Someone sent me this url, which posts pictures that makes a pretty convincing argument that the Pentagon damage Sept 11th was from a bomb rather than an airplane. However, didn't the news report a plane with passengers missing that supposedly hit the building? What do you think? http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Respectfully,
This is an urban legend. A friend of mine who is an Air Force Major (and liason to the FAA at the time) was in the tower at Reagan National and WITNESSED the plane's impact, according to her.
She was the one who ordered Reagan shut down, on the spot and helped mobilize rescue efforts from that end. Major Bernissier (which I may have misspelled) had a very tough day on 9/11. I believe that her husband was supposed to be at a meeting at the Pentagon that morning, but was unhurt. I'm not certain he was even on the premesis at the time.
CNN also had some footage of the tail section being removed from the scene, if I recall correctly as well.
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
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Lee,
are you saying that it's an urban legend because the photos are fake or its just a widely mis-believed story. If the photos arent fake though, where is the impact site?
Just Curious
-David
are you saying that it's an urban legend because the photos are fake or its just a widely mis-believed story. If the photos arent fake though, where is the impact site?
Just Curious
-David
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Bill Glasheen
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One is presuming a lot when superimposing the plane on the building. The assumption that goes with the picture is that the plane came in perfectly horizontally. That couldn't happen.
If you watch the film of the 2nd plane that hit the WTC, you will note that it was severely banked. We can speculate why (trying to impact the most floors??) but regardless it was - period. In doing so, the horizontal stretch of the wings was reduced. Reports on the plane that hit the Pentagon are that it first did a flyover, looped around, and then hit the Pentagon. Folks speculate that the terrorist pilot attempted to hit the White House, found the angle impossible, circled around, and chose a second target - the military one. That being the case, the plane would have been banked. It would also be going down at a steep angle. That would present a much smaller profile with respect to the outer face (vertical plane) of the pentagon. It also means that it would not have as much in the way of horizontal penetrating force, since a good deal of the force vector was going down into mother earth.
The WTC target was easy because it was way up there. Hitting the Pentagon was no easy feat, as there were many barriers in the way before that structure, and the Pentagon is a pancake-like structure with many layers (VERY smart design). Consequently the terrorists really weren't able to get an "ideal" hit.
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If you watch the film of the 2nd plane that hit the WTC, you will note that it was severely banked. We can speculate why (trying to impact the most floors??) but regardless it was - period. In doing so, the horizontal stretch of the wings was reduced. Reports on the plane that hit the Pentagon are that it first did a flyover, looped around, and then hit the Pentagon. Folks speculate that the terrorist pilot attempted to hit the White House, found the angle impossible, circled around, and chose a second target - the military one. That being the case, the plane would have been banked. It would also be going down at a steep angle. That would present a much smaller profile with respect to the outer face (vertical plane) of the pentagon. It also means that it would not have as much in the way of horizontal penetrating force, since a good deal of the force vector was going down into mother earth.
The WTC target was easy because it was way up there. Hitting the Pentagon was no easy feat, as there were many barriers in the way before that structure, and the Pentagon is a pancake-like structure with many layers (VERY smart design). Consequently the terrorists really weren't able to get an "ideal" hit.
- Bill
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One of my editors was stuck in traffic on 395 Southbound at the time of the crash.
The plane flew over in front of her car then it disappeared into the pentagon.
She called me in a shrill voice on her cell phone. She was unable to leave the bridge for several minutes after the plane hit.
It would still be nice if it had been a dream, but it was a reality.
Dana
The plane flew over in front of her car then it disappeared into the pentagon.
She called me in a shrill voice on her cell phone. She was unable to leave the bridge for several minutes after the plane hit.
It would still be nice if it had been a dream, but it was a reality.
Dana
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There has been much severe anti-American propaganda, such as this and worst, from Europe recently, in attempts to discredit us.
Most know that our federal government is moving out of Washington, right?
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Allen Moulton from Uechi-ryu Etcetera
Most know that our federal government is moving out of Washington, right?
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Allen Moulton from Uechi-ryu Etcetera
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I love these sites for just such a purpose:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/pentagoncrash.htm
greg
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/pentagoncrash.htm
greg
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Along these same lines I heard it said the Lunar landing missions were faked.
No way, we are not that good at keeping secrets!
The current edition of Weekly World News reports that the Pope is about to order replacement robot Priests form Japan, Frog baby recently choked on a dragonfly...but thankfully survived, and Bat boy is helping Bush look for Osama. With all this great investigative reporting going on it is no wonder they were found out on the Pentagon issue. I bet Bat boy could ask the Aliens the location of the missing airliner!
No way, we are not that good at keeping secrets!
The current edition of Weekly World News reports that the Pope is about to order replacement robot Priests form Japan, Frog baby recently choked on a dragonfly...but thankfully survived, and Bat boy is helping Bush look for Osama. With all this great investigative reporting going on it is no wonder they were found out on the Pentagon issue. I bet Bat boy could ask the Aliens the location of the missing airliner!
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This article is interesting, and goes along the same lines.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html
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jorvik
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i can t speak for America, but i do know that i and many of my countrymen are very suspicious of our government, in England. We are slowly being drawn into europe we have been told that the scrapping of the pound, to be replaced by the euro, is inevitable.
i certainly dont believe that blair supports America, i see it as cynical manipulation, he wants to appear as a powerful international figure to assume the mantel of "president of Europe".
the french have always been afraid of the strength of the dollar, that is why they push the euro.
i certainly dont believe that blair supports America, i see it as cynical manipulation, he wants to appear as a powerful international figure to assume the mantel of "president of Europe".
the french have always been afraid of the strength of the dollar, that is why they push the euro.
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jorvik
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. There are a number of things being communicated here.
As for Tony Blair's strong support of the U.S. concerning the Sept 11 attacks, there are a number of things to consider.
1) Next to the U.S., the U.K. lost the most number of citizens in the World Trade Center attack. That is/was an international finance center. The attack was an international tragedy.
2) The U.K. had to contend with terrorism quite a bit in the past. Remember the IRA? Blair has a very good reason to be against terrorism as a matter of principle. There are many Irish Americans on this side of the pond that in the past have sympathized with Ireland (even to the point of financial support to the IRA). Standing up to Al Quaeda on principal is good for both countries. An international stance against certain kinds of activities benefits both.
As for France, well I believe them to be a lost cause by their own doing. With their socialist laws (mandated 35 hour work week, government-supported daycare, etc.), high taxation (highest in Europe) and (not suprisingly) stagnant economy, they are dead in the water when it comes to competing with either the U.S. or the German currency. The Euro matters not in this regard. With popular songs like Je ne veux pas travailler (I don't want to work), what do you expect?
But truly the biggest problem with the French is they've never gotten over the fact that Napoleon lost the war.
- Bill
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. There are a number of things being communicated here.
As for Tony Blair's strong support of the U.S. concerning the Sept 11 attacks, there are a number of things to consider.
1) Next to the U.S., the U.K. lost the most number of citizens in the World Trade Center attack. That is/was an international finance center. The attack was an international tragedy.
2) The U.K. had to contend with terrorism quite a bit in the past. Remember the IRA? Blair has a very good reason to be against terrorism as a matter of principle. There are many Irish Americans on this side of the pond that in the past have sympathized with Ireland (even to the point of financial support to the IRA). Standing up to Al Quaeda on principal is good for both countries. An international stance against certain kinds of activities benefits both.
As for France, well I believe them to be a lost cause by their own doing. With their socialist laws (mandated 35 hour work week, government-supported daycare, etc.), high taxation (highest in Europe) and (not suprisingly) stagnant economy, they are dead in the water when it comes to competing with either the U.S. or the German currency. The Euro matters not in this regard. With popular songs like Je ne veux pas travailler (I don't want to work), what do you expect?
But truly the biggest problem with the French is they've never gotten over the fact that Napoleon lost the war.
- Bill
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Bill, don't forget that the French are on strike every other friggin day -- most recently was the air traffic controller strike. And then there's their football team...
The extreme factions of the IRA are still active. They planted a car bomb outside a London night club about a year ago. The papers have also reported a few foiled attempts. The IRA...the reason there are no trash bins in malls or train stations in most metro areas.
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Heck, Blair supports anyone...he supported Stephen Byers for such a long time.certainly dont believe that blair supports America
Bill, don't forget that the French are on strike every other friggin day -- most recently was the air traffic controller strike. And then there's their football team...
The extreme factions of the IRA are still active. They planted a car bomb outside a London night club about a year ago. The papers have also reported a few foiled attempts. The IRA...the reason there are no trash bins in malls or train stations in most metro areas.
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jorvik
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quote
"I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. There are a number of things being communicated here."
yes i do sound a bit vague on this one, dont i,
The issue here seems to me, is do we believe our government? I wont comment on America, its not my place to and it would cause offence, but i can comment on my own government. Then i guess i got a bit carried away....sorry.
"I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. There are a number of things being communicated here."
yes i do sound a bit vague on this one, dont i,
The issue here seems to me, is do we believe our government? I wont comment on America, its not my place to and it would cause offence, but i can comment on my own government. Then i guess i got a bit carried away....sorry.
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Bill Glasheen
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No problem, man!
I think your very philosophy was one taken by the original French author Thierry Meyssan in "The Frightening Fraud." The process makes for healthy government, even when the aim is off (as in the case of Meyssan).
- Bill
I think your very philosophy was one taken by the original French author Thierry Meyssan in "The Frightening Fraud." The process makes for healthy government, even when the aim is off (as in the case of Meyssan).
- Bill
