I am still beaming with pride and admiration at the accomplishments of our local trauma team here in dealing with the Ponderosa sniper shooting. The details are below.
To me, it's a wholistic thing. I am just as much (if not more) interested in the healing side of things in the martial arts as the destructive side. It's a lot harder to keep a (wo)man well than it is to take them out. And none of us can continue to train and teach and live in a civil world without developing the healing aspects of our learning.
Enjoy.
Trauma team on alert
- Bill
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Bill Glasheen
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I absolutely agree, not just on a physical level, but within the mind and spiritual level as well.
As your physical body learns the katas etc. the inner healing that comes along with the re-newed confidense levels, etc. are just as important if not more so- since very few of us will actually ever be involved in a confrontation (knocking on wood here). But for a person with my past, being able to protect yourself not only physically but as well as mentally, then to top it off with spiritual growth is as they say "priceless".
And when it comes to medical healing- It's virtual miracles what doctors and all in the medical profession can do now.
I thouroughly agree Mr. G!
K-
As your physical body learns the katas etc. the inner healing that comes along with the re-newed confidense levels, etc. are just as important if not more so- since very few of us will actually ever be involved in a confrontation (knocking on wood here). But for a person with my past, being able to protect yourself not only physically but as well as mentally, then to top it off with spiritual growth is as they say "priceless".
And when it comes to medical healing- It's virtual miracles what doctors and all in the medical profession can do now.
I thouroughly agree Mr. G!
K-
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Ted Dinwiddie
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This an aspect that gets lost in our endless "most effective fighting technique" discussions. One of the reasons the MA have continued to be popular is that there are so many levels and facets of benefit from their practice.
One of the reasons so much of the "combat reality" training has been lost or neglected is that some people just don't care about that aspect of it. I feel that leaving that part out removes some of the most beneficial health-benefiting content, however. I feel this simply because of the loss of intensity and "sharpness" that results. The yin and the yang must be acknowledged and embraced if the whole is to be truly experienced.
Taika Oyata uses the term "Life Protection Arts" rather than "Martial Arts." I like that. It encompasses more than beating the crap out of unnamed-evil-person-leaping-from-the-shadows, though that is definitly a component.
In our school, one of the requirements for nidan is seifukujutsu (adjustment and restoration techniques) training. This a kind of deep tissue/manipulative sort of massage. One of the interesting aspects of this training is the need for good stance work and body structure for proper application of the techniques. It is a true yin/yang understanding of technique.
There are also the requirements for revival techniques learned alongside the "knock-outs" as well as the need to understand how to "back out" of tuite techniques rather than just letting go. Practioners' health will suffer if a full knowledge is not promulgated.
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"I learn by going where I have to go." - Theodore Roethke
One of the reasons so much of the "combat reality" training has been lost or neglected is that some people just don't care about that aspect of it. I feel that leaving that part out removes some of the most beneficial health-benefiting content, however. I feel this simply because of the loss of intensity and "sharpness" that results. The yin and the yang must be acknowledged and embraced if the whole is to be truly experienced.
Taika Oyata uses the term "Life Protection Arts" rather than "Martial Arts." I like that. It encompasses more than beating the crap out of unnamed-evil-person-leaping-from-the-shadows, though that is definitly a component.
In our school, one of the requirements for nidan is seifukujutsu (adjustment and restoration techniques) training. This a kind of deep tissue/manipulative sort of massage. One of the interesting aspects of this training is the need for good stance work and body structure for proper application of the techniques. It is a true yin/yang understanding of technique.
There are also the requirements for revival techniques learned alongside the "knock-outs" as well as the need to understand how to "back out" of tuite techniques rather than just letting go. Practioners' health will suffer if a full knowledge is not promulgated.
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"I learn by going where I have to go." - Theodore Roethke
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Quick question on the health issue, a little off the subject.
I have a tendency to get quite a lot of headaches, the worst scenario, an occassionally migraine. Those knock me out and I am no good for anything.
I end up taking a lot of aspirin and bruise as a result from my karate. Neither tylenol nor ibuprofen works. Any recommendation for something else?
Also, I know there are at least 5 different types of massage out there. For a martial artist, would you recommend any of the others. Deep tissue can sure be painful?
Vicki
I have a tendency to get quite a lot of headaches, the worst scenario, an occassionally migraine. Those knock me out and I am no good for anything.
I end up taking a lot of aspirin and bruise as a result from my karate. Neither tylenol nor ibuprofen works. Any recommendation for something else?
Also, I know there are at least 5 different types of massage out there. For a martial artist, would you recommend any of the others. Deep tissue can sure be painful?
Vicki
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chef vicki,
What has your doctor said? If aspirin is the only suggestion then I'd get another opinion (or two).
The seifukujutsu techniques I am learning are applied at a level tolerable to the subject. One is usually started at quite a gentle level. Over the course of multiple treatments, one finds their desire for greater intensity increases. The practitioner seeks to go only as far as the subject can tolerate. Of course, when you get a bunch of sado-masochist, neanderthal karateka practicing this stuff on each other...
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"I learn by going where I have to go." - Theodore Roethke
What has your doctor said? If aspirin is the only suggestion then I'd get another opinion (or two).
The seifukujutsu techniques I am learning are applied at a level tolerable to the subject. One is usually started at quite a gentle level. Over the course of multiple treatments, one finds their desire for greater intensity increases. The practitioner seeks to go only as far as the subject can tolerate. Of course, when you get a bunch of sado-masochist, neanderthal karateka practicing this stuff on each other...
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"I learn by going where I have to go." - Theodore Roethke
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Chef Vicki-sama,
My condolances on your migraines. Me too. The issue should start with what KIND of headaches you get.
Classic migraines usually have visual flashes prior to onset (known as "aura") as well as certain physiological experiences that let a sufferer know that one is coming on. One often gets a "feeling" that one is coming on. At this point, most treatments recommend that you medicate, from my experience.
I was misdiagnosed years ago as a Cluster Headache sufferer. These headaches hit one side of the head, produce a runny nose on one side, eye tearing (lachrymation) from the effected side and are several points further out on the pain scale than a classic migraine. To the point where one cannot sit still but MUST move - called "walking the beast." These puppies hit about once or twice a year, last from 15 to 30 minutes and leave the person exhausted. In a significant number of cases, Cluster Headaches have led to suicide by the sufferer as the only way to make the pain stop.
There ARE other alternatives - believe me!
A classic migraine drops a person into immobility and can induce vomiting and lots of other nasty things, like shakes, cold chills and both can cause unconsciousness.
Imitrex is one specific for migraine, but it has little effect on Clusters, according to reports I have read. Perhaps Dr. Glasheen can weigh in on this better than I.
For both types, some studies suggest that a treatment called "trigger point injection therapy" can be useful. This therapy uses an injection of collagen and a mild anesthetic coupled with some herbal materials, shot into a spasming muscle's triggering point, forcing the muscle to relax.
As many migraines and Cluster headaches are aggravated by muscle clenching (a reflexive tensing to protect the body from an attack), such treatment can be very useful.
Another technique that I, personally, have found very useful is a self hypnosis tape by a friend of mine, Wendi Freisen.
This is not an ad and I get nothing for it, but you can find her headache tape at www.wendi.com. I unreservedly recommend it as a professional hypnotherapist myself. I've used others and Wendi's ROCKS!
Also, you might want to look into getting an allergy series done to determine if there is an allergic component to your headaches. Several recent studies have shown a strong correllation between allergen intake and migraine response.
Regardless, keep your doctor in the loop as to what you are doing. I am not a doctor and my recommendations are not meant to take the place of professional medical advice and treatment.
But I can say, from experience, Wendi's tape is a God(dess) send!
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
My condolances on your migraines. Me too. The issue should start with what KIND of headaches you get.
Classic migraines usually have visual flashes prior to onset (known as "aura") as well as certain physiological experiences that let a sufferer know that one is coming on. One often gets a "feeling" that one is coming on. At this point, most treatments recommend that you medicate, from my experience.
I was misdiagnosed years ago as a Cluster Headache sufferer. These headaches hit one side of the head, produce a runny nose on one side, eye tearing (lachrymation) from the effected side and are several points further out on the pain scale than a classic migraine. To the point where one cannot sit still but MUST move - called "walking the beast." These puppies hit about once or twice a year, last from 15 to 30 minutes and leave the person exhausted. In a significant number of cases, Cluster Headaches have led to suicide by the sufferer as the only way to make the pain stop.
There ARE other alternatives - believe me!
A classic migraine drops a person into immobility and can induce vomiting and lots of other nasty things, like shakes, cold chills and both can cause unconsciousness.
Imitrex is one specific for migraine, but it has little effect on Clusters, according to reports I have read. Perhaps Dr. Glasheen can weigh in on this better than I.
For both types, some studies suggest that a treatment called "trigger point injection therapy" can be useful. This therapy uses an injection of collagen and a mild anesthetic coupled with some herbal materials, shot into a spasming muscle's triggering point, forcing the muscle to relax.
As many migraines and Cluster headaches are aggravated by muscle clenching (a reflexive tensing to protect the body from an attack), such treatment can be very useful.
Another technique that I, personally, have found very useful is a self hypnosis tape by a friend of mine, Wendi Freisen.
This is not an ad and I get nothing for it, but you can find her headache tape at www.wendi.com. I unreservedly recommend it as a professional hypnotherapist myself. I've used others and Wendi's ROCKS!
Also, you might want to look into getting an allergy series done to determine if there is an allergic component to your headaches. Several recent studies have shown a strong correllation between allergen intake and migraine response.
Regardless, keep your doctor in the loop as to what you are doing. I am not a doctor and my recommendations are not meant to take the place of professional medical advice and treatment.
But I can say, from experience, Wendi's tape is a God(dess) send!
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
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Vicki
I know we've had these discussions before, and I've commented on the problems with aspirin in the karate dojo.
Ted has a point here. This is a women's health issue, and I think perhaps your physician isn't giving you the attention you are due. I know Sandra could probably help you with this, as she specializes in this type of care. However I know how important it is for a person to have some privacy... In any case, I did some reading on this recently and know there are a number of new meds out on the market to help with this.
For your sake and others, I'll dig deeper and post what I find.
- Bill
I know we've had these discussions before, and I've commented on the problems with aspirin in the karate dojo.
Ted has a point here. This is a women's health issue, and I think perhaps your physician isn't giving you the attention you are due. I know Sandra could probably help you with this, as she specializes in this type of care. However I know how important it is for a person to have some privacy... In any case, I did some reading on this recently and know there are a number of new meds out on the market to help with this.
For your sake and others, I'll dig deeper and post what I find.
- Bill
The healing half of the Shaolin art
I bruise easy too- do check into that- get blood tested just in case something else is happening-
re: the bruising- a really good way I've found to work through the bruise once it's there- grab some tiger balm- put a bit on the bruise (if it's not cut open too) and rub as hard as you can- then a little harder. I can't remember all the technical stuff about why that works- something about the "bad little bags of blood" getting out of there faster and the "good little bags" getting there sooner to heal it- Mr. G probably knows about this- but it also eventually helps prevent the bruising- espescially if there are certain places it always happens... One last note- I've been instructed by my Sensei to stop meeting force to force- i.e. a punch is comming- I don't need to block it- and hurt myself for "blocking to hard" let alone the other person. That's how I get a lot of my bruises. Get too excited and block to hard I guess LOL... just a thought-"as long as the punch misses you- doesn't need to miss by a mile-" LOL
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re: the bruising- a really good way I've found to work through the bruise once it's there- grab some tiger balm- put a bit on the bruise (if it's not cut open too) and rub as hard as you can- then a little harder. I can't remember all the technical stuff about why that works- something about the "bad little bags of blood" getting out of there faster and the "good little bags" getting there sooner to heal it- Mr. G probably knows about this- but it also eventually helps prevent the bruising- espescially if there are certain places it always happens... One last note- I've been instructed by my Sensei to stop meeting force to force- i.e. a punch is comming- I don't need to block it- and hurt myself for "blocking to hard" let alone the other person. That's how I get a lot of my bruises. Get too excited and block to hard I guess LOL... just a thought-"as long as the punch misses you- doesn't need to miss by a mile-" LOL
K-
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Thanks for the ideas on other options for headaches.
I have had allergy tests years ago but that was before I had migraines. I never had migraines until I was pregant for the third child. The seem to always be hormon induced or connected.
My doctor wanted me to try Imitrex. I did and have a very bad reaction to it. I tried it twice and experienced constriction in my throat and severe pain down my shoulders, back, and upper arms both times. Can't handle that.
I hate taking much medication unless absolutely necessary. I presently take Butybatal (sp?). I usually can tell it is going to be a migraine either if I go to bed with a headache or wake up with one before I lift my head from the pillow. If I get to it early enough with medication, I can stop it. I always carry my medicine. If I miss it, forget. Can't handle bright light, loud sounds, strong smells, etc. You guys know the routine.
I have read about taking feverfew and a couple of other herbs and should try some of these out. I will look at some of those suggestions you gave. Thanks, you all for the input.
Vicki
I have had allergy tests years ago but that was before I had migraines. I never had migraines until I was pregant for the third child. The seem to always be hormon induced or connected.
My doctor wanted me to try Imitrex. I did and have a very bad reaction to it. I tried it twice and experienced constriction in my throat and severe pain down my shoulders, back, and upper arms both times. Can't handle that.
I hate taking much medication unless absolutely necessary. I presently take Butybatal (sp?). I usually can tell it is going to be a migraine either if I go to bed with a headache or wake up with one before I lift my head from the pillow. If I get to it early enough with medication, I can stop it. I always carry my medicine. If I miss it, forget. Can't handle bright light, loud sounds, strong smells, etc. You guys know the routine.
I have read about taking feverfew and a couple of other herbs and should try some of these out. I will look at some of those suggestions you gave. Thanks, you all for the input.
Vicki
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Hey V-
I have an awesome book on Chinese herbal medicine- I'll look to see what it says about migraines etc. I used to get them- the kind where you see the "visions" Mr. Darrow spoke of- (I thought they were blood vessels popping behind my eyes- causing the effect of blind spots that look like when you look at the sun too long- then came the pain- unlike yourself- "after" I had my children they lessoned-
Be sure to email me if you can- I'm into the herb thing- etc. as well.....
I haven't heard about the feverfew- but the thing with herbs- is that once you've tried something for a while- even if it works awesome in the beginning- your body "get's used to it" pretty quick and it stops working. I'll do some investigating at a couple stores up here that are really good for homeopathic remedies if you'd like-
K-
krymrgn@hotmail.com
I have an awesome book on Chinese herbal medicine- I'll look to see what it says about migraines etc. I used to get them- the kind where you see the "visions" Mr. Darrow spoke of- (I thought they were blood vessels popping behind my eyes- causing the effect of blind spots that look like when you look at the sun too long- then came the pain- unlike yourself- "after" I had my children they lessoned-
Be sure to email me if you can- I'm into the herb thing- etc. as well.....
I haven't heard about the feverfew- but the thing with herbs- is that once you've tried something for a while- even if it works awesome in the beginning- your body "get's used to it" pretty quick and it stops working. I'll do some investigating at a couple stores up here that are really good for homeopathic remedies if you'd like- K-
krymrgn@hotmail.com
