Documentation needed - Seizan Breyette and Suparinpei

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Documentation needed - Seizan Breyette and Suparinpei

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John PM-ed this to me. Could someone please verify the source of this?
One original Suparimpe taught by Shuu Sensei was shown to Toyama Sensei about 30 years ago by two elderly Chinese gentlemen who studied in Kanbun Sensei’s original dojo in Nansoue. The visit by these Chinese gentlemen is known to many who studied in the Futenma Dojo in the early or mid 70's. The dojo in China remained open after Kanbun Sensei left. It's fair to assume that Shuu Sensei assigned another of his top students to teach there in Kanbun Sensei’s stead, otherwise Toyama Sensei’s two elderly visitors would not have been able to perform Suparimpe. They performed in exactly the same manner that Toyama Sensei performs (posture, timing, extensive use of a UechiRyu-like Sanchin stance, large circular blocking movements, etc.). Performed in that manner, many techniques and positions nearly identical to UechiRyu could be seen.

Toyama Sensei described their body physiques even in their old age to be much the same as his own, and resembling Kanbun Sensei's physique.

In August 2005, Simon Lailey demonstrated a Supraempi form for Toyama Sensei. Sensei recognized it immediately as technically the same 108 form, but modern changes affected the performance so it was not as similar to the UechiRyu taught by Kanbun Sensei. With the few changes suggested by Toyama Sensei, Simon's performance would very nearly match the one seen 3 decades ago.
If this Fuzhou Suparinpei I learned from Simon is indeed the real deal evolved a few generations, then the differences Toyama Sensei viewed make perfect sense to me. Whether or not it is a direct descendant, I've always felt that the material at least had the same DNA.

Anyhow, documentation of the source of this statement would certainly be a nail in the coffin of the "Simon conspiracy theory." Somehow my experience with Simon seemed a bit too credible and plausible for me to believe some fantastic story of his making up such a form. He's a good martial artist, but not THAT good... ;)

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Post by CANDANeh »

Interesting. I expect good stuff this decade in revealing Uechi history...
Sent you email as to "source" Bill. Stumbled upon it just few minutes ago.
The story continues 8)
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Seizan posted this, why not ask him :D
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Post by Bill Glasheen »

Thanks, Leo.

Unfortunately this link isn't working today.

http://www.uechi-ryu-journal.com/may_06_SB.php

Either it doesn't work any more, or their system is down.

Jorvik, Seizan is ALWAYS welcome on these forums. I believe I have just sent out a request - directly or indirectly. I'm just trying to share the information I receive.

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Post by Glenn »

Bill Glasheen wrote: Unfortunately this link isn't working today.

http://www.uechi-ryu-journal.com/may_06_SB.php
Bill, I just tried the link and it works. It includes the paragraphs you quoted above from John. A very intriguing article.
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This website is really interesting. I hope you can get into it.

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Please use citations

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All material is copyright of the author and/or the Journal. Please give credit where it is due, and use proper citations. As a research expert Mr.Glasheen I am sure you agree with the importance of documenting the source of information.

The source for the above quotation is as follows:

Breyette, G.S. (2006). Suparimpe, Shuu & Kanbun Sensei. Uechi-ryu Journal, 2.2, 6,7,8 pars. Retrieved May 17, 2006, from http://uechi-ryu-journal.com/may_06_SB.php
MLA Style
This information is based on the fifth edition of the MLA Handbook for writers of research Papers, published in 1999.

Citation Model
Author's Last Name, First Name. "Title of Article." Title of Journal Volume. Issue (Year): Pages or Paragraphs. Date of Access <URL>
APA Style
This is based on information from the fifth edition of the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association (2001).

Citation Model
Author's Last Name, First Initial or First Two Initials. (Year of Publication). Title of Article. Title of Journal, Volume or Number, Pages or Paragraphs. Retrieved month day, year, from URL.
Anyhow, documentation of the source of this statement
The statement is direct from the source, confirmation by Toyama Sensei, Breyette Sensei and Sifu Simon Lailey. Hope this helps!
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Post by Gene DeMambro »

Spit,

Bill did not know the source of the material, therefore he asked for it - twice. Believe me, there is no need to lecture Bill on academic honesty. I'd like to see you even try that one. Furthermore, when provided with the link, Bill indicated it didn't work for him.

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Post by Stryke »

Easy Gene , Scott didnt lecture anyone , I thought Bill had seen this already and asked him about it on the original thread here but easy to miss that thread was a bit of a storm in a tea cup .

It all adds to the curiousity :D
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Post by Willy »

.php

possibly some folks just need to update.

recently several have had problems with this extension.

Link works fine on all of my systems.
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spitkick

Thank you for providing the citation I requested. Obviously I couldn't have done it better myself.

I sure wish I had grad students... :lol: Alas, I work in industry these days. Little do most people know that published works in the peer-reviewed literature are team efforts, with numerous eyes and hands on the final product. (hence the expression "peer review") For many professors, the grad students' work isn't even acknowledged - even when they do the bulk of the work. (Been there, done that on the receiving end.)

I've got 4+ people shadowing work I'm doing on a handful of "white papers" I'm writing right now. Their efforts won't even make it on the document. My name may not make it either, for that matter. It's a different venue. But proper citations will exist at the back of the document.

Obviously your work is noted. ;)

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Thanks, Gene.
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