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Bill Glasheen
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Stupid risk taking

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I'm all for libertarianism. I'm all for someone being allowed to do things that put them in harm's way in order to have a thrill or two.

I rode a few motorcycles in my day. I owned a 500 BSA twin, and then a 4-cylinder 750 Suzuki screamer. I rode a mile or two (or three, or four or...) over the posted speed limit.

BUT....

I always wore a helmet, and I always wore protective clothing - even if it was 100 degrees out. I took a few spills (due to the careless driving habits of others around me), and walked away from them all with nothing more than damaged protective equipment.

And when I got kids, I stopped riding.

Meanwhile...
PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Steelers star Ben Roethlisberger, the youngest quarterback to lead a team to the Super Bowl championship, broke his jaw and nose in a motorcycle crash Monday in which he was not wearing a helmet.

Roethlisberger was in serious but stable condition, Dr. Larry Jones, chief of trauma at Mercy Hospital said before surgery.

The player's agent, Leigh Steinberg, described the injuries to The Associated Press and said he did not know if there was further damage.

"He was talking to me before he left for the operating room," Jones said. "He's coherent. He's making sense. He knows what happened. He knows where he is. From that standpoint, he's very stable."

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The 24-year-old Roethlisberger was without a helmet, police said. He has said he likes to ride without one, a habit that once prompted a lecture from Pittsburgh coach Bill Cowher.

Roethlisberger was on his black 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa -- the company calls it the world's fastest bike for legal street riding _ and heading toward an intersection on the edge of downtown. A Chrysler New Yorker traveling in the opposite direction took a left turn and collided with the motorcycle, and Roethlisberger was thrown, police said.

The other car was driven by a 62-year-old woman, police said. They didn't immediately release her name and no charges were filed.

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In May 2005, Cowher warned Roethlisberger about safe riding after Cleveland tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. was injured in a motorcycle accident. Winslow tore knee ligaments and was lost for the season.

Other athletes injured on motorcycles during their careers include basketball's Jason Williams, skiing's Hermann Maier and auto racing's Dario Franchitti.

Roethlisberger has said in the past that he prefers not to wear a helmet when riding his motorcycle. He has pointed out Pennsylvania's state law requiring helmets to be worn was repealed in September 2003.

"He talked about being a risk-taker and I'm not really a risk-taker. I'm pretty conservative and laid back, but the big thing is to just be careful," Roethlisberger said at the time. "I'll just continue to be careful. I told him we don't ever ride alone, we always ride in a group of people, and I think it makes it even more safe."

Roethlisberger continued to ride after Winslow's accident and that angered Terry Bradshaw, who quarterbacked the Steelers to four Super Bowl victories during the 1970s.

Visiting the Steelers' training camp last summer, Bradshaw remarked: "Ride it when you retire."
- SI.com


Are there consequences to this other than the injury? Check it out.
Roethlisberger is under contract through the 2009 season. He earned nearly $9.5 million in salary and bonuses in 2005. The NFL's standard player contract stipulates that players "will not engage in any activity other than football which may involve a significant risk of personal injury." Teams have several avenues they can travel to recover money they have paid the player for a violation
- USA Today


Whatever...

I hope he had fun.

- Bill
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Post by f.Channell »

Can someone tell me why wearing a helmet isn't a national law?

Or at the minimum their insurance should cost a fortune.

I can't even drive without a seat belt anymore. It's illegal in my state. And I voted to repeal the seat belt law and it won. 5 years later they put it through again.

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Post by IJ »

Why would a helmet be mandatory and a seatbelt be optional? One shouldn't be able to disable the driver side airbag, either. Eventually cars without air bags and electornic stabililty control may be phased out completely.

The reason is big government intrusion into personal life. In this case I'm for it. It protects a few from receiving the Darwin award. But the justification is that you shouldn't be able to drive without one if you're receiving national health insurance, or you may waste tons of their money. And we ALL have that--car crash and be a felon illegal immigrant terrorist and you're whisked to the ER for top of the line care, and services we wouldn't give you if you hadn't had one.

I wonder, though... do enough survive with serious injuries to use the money we saved avoiding injuries? Dunno.
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Post by nosib »

The idiot that had her head stuffed well up her
backside and was the cause of the crash should
be held responsible. Driving without due care,endangering
the public and almost causing death requires penality.
Something like 90 days supension of license,fines,
driver saftey school,community service followed by
one year restricted license and any and everything they
do to drunk drivers.

I think helments should be required for any activity
that moves a body more than 3 mph.

I think motorcycles should be outlawed,so should...
powerboats
any powered watercraft
scuba diving
swimming
bicycles
skateboards
rollerskates
skydiving
hang gliding
kite flying
snowsports
riding lawnmowers
ATV's
horseback riding
stilts
baseball
football
hockey
boxing
any fight training
basically all sports
fishing
the use of power tools
knives and most forks
any establishment selling nutritionally questionable food
high heels
cowboy boots
body piercings
tattoos
dogs
candy
pastry
alcohol
loud noise
NASCAR
rock concerts
camping
any dangerous occupation
fat people
ugly people
fat ugly people
stupid people
old people
unemployed people
gyms
tabacco
political parties
birthday parties
parties
swimming pools
bathtubs
etc.
etc.
but we'll keep the damn AUTOMOBILES!!!!
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Post by John Giacoletti »

Ben Roethlisberger IMHO doesn't respect his team or his family.

It's irresponsible for a major sports star to place at risk the future of his team and to cause his loved ones pain and anguish.

So Van Gough cuts his ear off. Who suffers ... his brother. Even if you are an idiot you do not have the right to cause your brother to suffer.

Self-destructive behavior causes other people to have pain. That's why kids do stupid things ... to hurt their parents.
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Post by AAAhmed46 »

Today i saw the hottest chick ever on a bike.

She didnt wear a helmet, probably for aesthetic reasons.


i was happy she didnt, but it's her loss! :P
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Post by Bill Glasheen »

If it doesn't impact others, go for it. If you pay for your health insurance and they know what you are doing, go for it. If your life insurance policy will cover your family when you get killed while driving without a helmet and they know what you are doing, go for it.

We need the donor organs, after all. Think about how long an NFL star's heart will last in somebody waiting for a transplant. And I'm sure his kidneys are well exercised without having been pickled. And heck, could I please have your right lateral knee meniscus? Some bozo surgeon took mine away 32 years ago.

Sadly though Ben let his teammates down. Expect the NFL not to pay him that $9.2 million salary next year. That's the least amound of money they should extract. Ben knew what he was getting into. If he's cool with that, I'm cool with that.

Meanwhile, I agree about the dimwit woman who caused the accident. Jail time is fine by me. I can't count how many times as a motorcycle rider that someone from a side street stared right at me, and then pulled out in front of me. They'll do the same thing to a bicyclist. I rode a big bike because I wanted to make a big dent when people did that to me. And I did... :twisted: The last *%$# who did that to me tried to drive away from the scene of the accident. Fortunately they saw me with my head popping up from the pavement, reading the license number. Another Good Samaritan came by and dropped me his business card as witness to the sociopathic act. I cost her...

I walked away from that one, thanks to a helmet that was missing some snaps, and denim that needed to be replaced. It did take a few extra minutes getting out of bed the next morning though... 8O I'f you've never been there, you don't know how that feels. I'm always amazed how little I feel until the next day.

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Post by AAAhmed46 »

Speaking of organ donors....


I hear they are using stem cells to grow organs.


How far has the researched progressed?

Seems like people are volunteering thier organs less and less these days to be donars.

So i think we really need it.
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Post by Bill Glasheen »

It'll be a while. Even when both the technical and ethical hurdles are surpassed, that's going to be an expensive and time-consuming route. It takes a while to grow an adult organ from scratch, after all...

We still need organ donors for now.

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Post by IJ »

I haven't heard that organ donations are falling... but will look. What we do know is that the need is rising. Just with the "bitter harvest" of hepatitis C infections going endstage, and the obestiy/diabetes/hypertension renal failure group sure to surge... and heart attacks and failure also common...
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That's why we call them "donorcycles."
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Post by Aaaargh »

In spite of the recent spike in the number of Pittsburgh Steelers quarterbacks involved in motorcycle accidents, there doesn't seem to have been a noticeable change in organ donation trends.
According to the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network (http://www.optn.org):


2005:
14,489 total organs
7,593 from deceased donors
6,896 from living donors

2004:
14,154 total
7,150 deceased donors
7,004 living donors

2003:
13,285
6,457
6,828

2002:
12,819
6,190
6,629

2001:
12,687
6,080
6,607

2000:
11,918
5,985
5,933

And as of March 2006, we have 1907 from deceased donors and 1707 from living donors, which means if rates stay the same, there will be 7628 and 6828 organs, respectively, for 2006.

So it looks like there's a trend towards less living donors the last 2 years, although there are more total organs available. Just like greedy living people, leaving all the work to the dead people.

And for further reading:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/48459
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Street bikes

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Street bikes were called "murdercycles"
Dirt bikes were called "motorcycles"
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Post by IJ »

One of our transplant surgeons was recently talking about the problems inherent in live donors, such as difficulty teasing out who's being pressured to give or suited to give, and the very occasional death or severe complication that, while unavoidable and predictable, make everyone more nervous. If the dead could share better (rather, families of the dead)... or we could do stem cell research more easily.... or heck, we could stop smoking, drinking, and having heart attacks and getting hepatitis C and diabetes...
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