This is legal?
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Gene DeMambro
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Looks like a vigourous display of free speech, although you/we might get
in trouble for posting a pic with a private citizen's license plate number.
Note that I do not agree with much of what this vehicle's owner decided to
put on his/her car.
Can anyone point to anything on this vehicle that would be violate the
secular law?
Gene
in trouble for posting a pic with a private citizen's license plate number.
Note that I do not agree with much of what this vehicle's owner decided to
put on his/her car.
Can anyone point to anything on this vehicle that would be violate the
secular law?
Gene
Gene you crack me up with your post!
AAAhmed46, it is unfortunately legal and to my mind totally obnoxious. I
guess if one is going to post this trash on their vehicle and have their
license plate out there for people to trace....well...then you reap what you
sow.
....makes me sad....
AAAhmed46 is simply exercising his freedom of speech by posting this image.although you/we might get in trouble for posting a pic with a private
citizen's license plate number
AAAhmed46, it is unfortunately legal and to my mind totally obnoxious. I
guess if one is going to post this trash on their vehicle and have their
license plate out there for people to trace....well...then you reap what you
sow.
....makes me sad....
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Bill Glasheen
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Bill Glasheen
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Well it certainly goes both ways doesnt it?
I admit i delivered a cheap shot.
Though to put it into more context: If somone got mad and took a swing
at him, would he really be so friendless? How badly would he get ridiculed?
He obviously feels rather safe being able to drive around with these on
his truck. Why? I know that in edmonton, we have a large lebanese
community in the north end, so you wouldnt see that, the city is too mixed
with far too many minorities.
Would you drive into a black community in Chigago with ''all niggers are
apes'' on your car bumper sticker? No you wouldnt.
Changing mind:
I say more knowledge and education on the subject would change his mind
about it, if he were open to it.
But would he be open to it? Maybe.
He's handicapped though, look at his licence plate, maybe he too was the
brunt of ignorance, maybe that would make him more open to other ideas.
I admit i delivered a cheap shot.
Though to put it into more context: If somone got mad and took a swing
at him, would he really be so friendless? How badly would he get ridiculed?
He obviously feels rather safe being able to drive around with these on
his truck. Why? I know that in edmonton, we have a large lebanese
community in the north end, so you wouldnt see that, the city is too mixed
with far too many minorities.
Would you drive into a black community in Chigago with ''all niggers are
apes'' on your car bumper sticker? No you wouldnt.
Changing mind:
I say more knowledge and education on the subject would change his mind
about it, if he were open to it.
But would he be open to it? Maybe.
He's handicapped though, look at his licence plate, maybe he too was the
brunt of ignorance, maybe that would make him more open to other ideas.
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Gene DeMambro
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What do you find so funny about me, Mary? Is ths owner of this car a
public official or a public person, so that they have less protection against
having their license plate number barred in public?
No, there is no law that says you (or I) can't say "all n****rs must die".
There are laws, however, against inciting violence and targeting people
solely due to membership in a protected class and all that sort of thing. I
don't think it applies here in this case. But, you'll have to do your own
research on that one. Let us know what you've come up with.
Look closely at the picture, and I see (at least) two things:
Gene
public official or a public person, so that they have less protection against
having their license plate number barred in public?
No, there is no law that says you (or I) can't say "all n****rs must die".
There are laws, however, against inciting violence and targeting people
solely due to membership in a protected class and all that sort of thing. I
don't think it applies here in this case. But, you'll have to do your own
research on that one. Let us know what you've come up with.
Look closely at the picture, and I see (at least) two things:
- The vehicle is a Ford F-150 truck, that probably will not be seen on
any "best mileage" lists. Where does (s)he think the oil comes from that
makes all that gas for the truck. Then again, it could be a farm or work
truck. - The license plate says "Disabled Veteran". In as much as everyone
else gets the same birthright, (s)he has earned the right to say or think
whatever comes to mind - no matter how unenlightened it may seem to
others.
Gene
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Bill Glasheen
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FWIW...
I am editing posts on this page of the thread for format. That's a really
large picture and it kind of messes up the formatting for the rest of the
page. Unfortunately there's no way to have it displayed (other than
by an indirect link) without losing detail necessary to read all the bumper
stickers.
So... I'm editing your posts - for format only. When/if the thread goes onto
another page, all will be fine.
- The Moderator
I am editing posts on this page of the thread for format. That's a really
large picture and it kind of messes up the formatting for the rest of the
page. Unfortunately there's no way to have it displayed (other than
by an indirect link) without losing detail necessary to read all the bumper
stickers.
So... I'm editing your posts - for format only. When/if the thread goes onto
another page, all will be fine.
- The Moderator
Canada has limited freedom of speech: In other words, in canada you cantWhat do you find so funny about me, Mary? Is ths owner of this car a
public official or a public person, so that they have less protection against
having their license plate number barred in public?
No, there is no law that says you (or I) can't say "all n****rs must die".
There are laws, however, against inciting violence and targeting people
solely due to membership in a protected class and all that sort of thing. I
don't think it applies here in this case. But, you'll have to do your own
research on that one. Let us know what you've come up with.
Look closely at the picture, and I see (at least) two things:
The vehicle is a Ford F-150 truck, that probably will not be seen on
any "best mileage" lists. Where does (s)he think the oil comes from that
makes all that gas for the truck. Then again, it could be a farm or work
truck.
The license plate says "Disabled Veteran". In as much as everyone
else gets the same birthright, (s)he has earned the right to say or think
whatever comes to mind - no matter how unenlightened it may seem to
others.
Patiently waiting for recitation of laws this truck may be in violation of,
Gene
walk around with a t-shirt saying god hates niggers without violating the
law. Atleast so ive heard.
So i assumed america was the same.
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Bill Glasheen
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Not true. For the most part, people have a right to make an ass of
themselves with regard to their hate and ignorance. And many (including
yours truly) prefer it that way. At least we know what people think, and
where the hate-mongers are.
Making it illegal to say what people think is tricky business. When you
are libelous or slander someone, that's different. For instance I can't say
that {pick a real person} is a child molester if it isn't true. But I can
make a derogatory remark about that person's race, ethnicity, religion,
gender, sexual preference, or country of origin and get away with it.
However... If I even tell an off-color joke where I work and offend someone,
my employment can be terminated without much in the way of due
process. Within specific communities, your give up certain freedoms in
order to be allowed to "play" together.
- Bill
themselves with regard to their hate and ignorance. And many (including
yours truly) prefer it that way. At least we know what people think, and
where the hate-mongers are.
Making it illegal to say what people think is tricky business. When you
are libelous or slander someone, that's different. For instance I can't say
that {pick a real person} is a child molester if it isn't true. But I can
make a derogatory remark about that person's race, ethnicity, religion,
gender, sexual preference, or country of origin and get away with it.
However... If I even tell an off-color joke where I work and offend someone,
my employment can be terminated without much in the way of due
process. Within specific communities, your give up certain freedoms in
order to be allowed to "play" together.
- Bill
Gene it was your post that cracked me up
- not you (I don't believe we have ever met
in person although I'm sure you have a great
sense of humour and would probably make me laugh)
I thought your post was funny - perhaps more,
I found your post rather ironic.
You express concern about posting the picture on this site
regarding the guy's licence plate number.
My view is if the guy is stupid (and yes, I said stupid)
enough to put that kind of drivel on his car then he
is fair game.
Freedom of expression runs both ways
(people tend to forget that a lot).
If this guy is expressing his "freedom" by plastering
hatred on his vehicle surely AAAmhe46 has
just as much right to the same "freedom"
to plaster the picture of his vehicle
- complete with licence plate - on the internet.
Now if someone is incensed enough by
this to do a DMV check to see who this guy is,
and there are consequences from that -
whose fault is that? Ours or his? (S)he took
the first step by publishing this hatred for the world
(or at least Kentucky) to see - complete with a
method for tracking himself. If said "private citizen"
doesn't like the repercussions he should have
thought twice before he exercised his "freedom"
in such an inciteful manner.
I would suggest for a start there is definitely
religious intolerance happening here, along
with racial targeting. Do you think the person posted
this stuff on his vehicle in the hopes that people
wouldn't read it? Hell, no! If you're willing to stick it
out there you deserve what you get....
If he was attacked by a member the target group
of his bumper stickers who do you think would win
a court of law? It would be a great defence - inciteful
literature, hate-mongering, racist material
publically displayed....
You mention the disabled veteran thing.
What is the relevance to this person being a veteran?
Does being a veteran allow special rights on
what to say or think moreso than any other American?
My understanding that the rights of the US apply
to all citizens of the US - veteran, disabled or no....
- not you (I don't believe we have ever met
in person although I'm sure you have a great
sense of humour and would probably make me laugh)
I thought your post was funny - perhaps more,
I found your post rather ironic.
You express concern about posting the picture on this site
regarding the guy's licence plate number.
My view is if the guy is stupid (and yes, I said stupid)
enough to put that kind of drivel on his car then he
is fair game.
Freedom of expression runs both ways
(people tend to forget that a lot).
If this guy is expressing his "freedom" by plastering
hatred on his vehicle surely AAAmhe46 has
just as much right to the same "freedom"
to plaster the picture of his vehicle
- complete with licence plate - on the internet.
Now if someone is incensed enough by
this to do a DMV check to see who this guy is,
and there are consequences from that -
whose fault is that? Ours or his? (S)he took
the first step by publishing this hatred for the world
(or at least Kentucky) to see - complete with a
method for tracking himself. If said "private citizen"
doesn't like the repercussions he should have
thought twice before he exercised his "freedom"
in such an inciteful manner.
Why don't you think they apply in this case?There are laws, however, against inciting
violence and targeting people
solely due to membership in a protected
class and all that sort of thing. I
don't think it applies here in this case.
I would suggest for a start there is definitely
religious intolerance happening here, along
with racial targeting. Do you think the person posted
this stuff on his vehicle in the hopes that people
wouldn't read it? Hell, no! If you're willing to stick it
out there you deserve what you get....
If he was attacked by a member the target group
of his bumper stickers who do you think would win
a court of law? It would be a great defence - inciteful
literature, hate-mongering, racist material
publically displayed....
You mention the disabled veteran thing.
What is the relevance to this person being a veteran?
Does being a veteran allow special rights on
what to say or think moreso than any other American?
My understanding that the rights of the US apply
to all citizens of the US - veteran, disabled or no....
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Gene DeMambro
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We have meet, a few years ago at Summer Camp....and I have a kick ass
sense of humor
or think. Then again, there are some pretty savy lawyers out there....
there. Not only do they apply to all citizens, they also (mostly) apply to
everyone in the US, regardless of citizenship.
Gene
sense of humor
Fair game for what? And what is the limit that this person "deserves"?My view is if the guy is stupid (and yes, I said stupid)
enough to put that kind of drivel on his car then he
is fair game....If you're willing to stick it
out there you deserve what you get....
He would win - hands down. You can't attack someone over what they sayIf he was attacked by a member the target group
of his bumper stickers who do you think would win
a court of law?
or think. Then again, there are some pretty savy lawyers out there....
As do I, as I mentioned in the previous post. Read it again 'cause it's inMy understanding that the rights of the US apply
to all citizens of the US - veteran, disabled or no....
there. Not only do they apply to all citizens, they also (mostly) apply to
everyone in the US, regardless of citizenship.
Gene
Goes around comes around. Looks to me like a crip wanting to get taken
out. That's not that uncommon.
With 6 to 8 million Muslims in America, I'm sure there might be one as
dysfunctional as this guy. Who knows maybe he's in an eighteen wheeler
right on his arse and reading this #####. Pretty easy to kill a man when your
driving a rig that’s plus 40 ton. Hell you hardly feel the bump when your
wheels crush them. Driver error, it's the companies fault they made me
work long hours with no rest. I dozed off and ran over that tiny SUV.
I'm not even Muslim but I'd be willing to give the guy a virgin for his
efforts. Is America proud of this kind of American? No wonder people
fly planes into your facilities. Hey can Iraqi vets have that on their
bumper stickers?
out. That's not that uncommon.
With 6 to 8 million Muslims in America, I'm sure there might be one as
dysfunctional as this guy. Who knows maybe he's in an eighteen wheeler
right on his arse and reading this #####. Pretty easy to kill a man when your
driving a rig that’s plus 40 ton. Hell you hardly feel the bump when your
wheels crush them. Driver error, it's the companies fault they made me
work long hours with no rest. I dozed off and ran over that tiny SUV.
I'm not even Muslim but I'd be willing to give the guy a virgin for his
efforts. Is America proud of this kind of American? No wonder people
fly planes into your facilities. Hey can Iraqi vets have that on their
bumper stickers?
