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The beauty of a style like Uechi ryu is that it is so simple and the kata are so general. From it the practitioner can go in a number of different directions. Want to spar? No problem. Like to grapple? We bridge the gap. Want to specialize in pressure points? A style that teaches "pointy" techniques begs for that type of interpretation. Like power? Sanchin's the name of the game. Want self-defense and realism? This Fuzhou style is no-nonsense.

But is the foundation that stable? I wonder. Is the style drifting? Most styles do. Is that bad? Only if something is lost.

An eclectic and academic like myself loves his geographic isolation and license to experiment. But if it's good enough for me...it's good enough for "those other guys" who obviously don't know as much as me. Image

* On the one hand, you have Joan Neide in China learning we are an internal style because we breathe after the strikes. On the other hand you have students in TC classes exhaling during strikes and stomping their feet (a teaching aide).

* On the one hand you have the Van (and my former Japanese karate instructor) power attitude of "one shot to kill." On the other hand, you have the Tomoyose (and very Chinese) approach of fluid movement and multiple technique assaults.

* On the one hand, you have people like me coming up with explanations from kinesiology and modern medical research. On the other hand you have folks talking chi-speak and hitting along the cycle of destruction.

* On the one hand you have folks who love "sport karate." On the other hand you have the realists who like to grapple and hit with specialized techniques.

* On the one hand you have the teachers who are dedicated to the community and want to expose the world to our special art. On the other hand you have purists who seek to create a small stable of hard-core champions.

* On the one hand you have the historians. On the other hand you have preachers of the force continuum.

Is there room for everything and everyone? Absolutely not. Yes, this is an inclusive style. Yes, this is a very general style that can be interpreted many ways. No, we will never require spinning hook kicks to the head. At some point you have an identity to keep and a way to preserve. But where is the boundary? What are the limits? What is a judge at a dan test to do when two students do something in sanchin in an entirely opposite fashion (like the breathing)?

I believe we need to open our minds and learn from others. I believe we need to question. I believe we need to be inclusive of everything that fits in or with the paradigm. But I often wonder where and when we cross the line.

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Yes, but some folks get to their destination in style.
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I believe it is important to strike a balance between what is essentially Uechi-ryu, call that traditional, and a lot of the rest I would call 'diversionary'. In the essential category, it would be nice to know, for example, that basic movements worked for self-defense (the raison d'etre), that those teaching are good at what they do and understand and show confidence in the style, that a workout comprised of a well supervised class that brings health benefits and incremental martial arts competence. Let's say the things we call 'Uechi' are the things most people who walk into a dojo are looking for.

Therefore, if I am interested in learning basic martial arts and there's a no-nonsense Uechi School that people talk about because it's a good place to learn martial arts, then I expect to see traditional methods taught, a solid workout and confident well-rounded teachers. If I step into a class and find 80% Tai Bo, an unprofessional atmosphere, unsportsmanlike conduct etc., and I am very likely to conclude the school is 'not what I expected'! In other words, if you call yourself a Uechi-ryu school, you have to expect most of the folks coming in the door have an idea about what you are. Therefore, a traditional school has an obligation to the majority of the students, I believe, to carry out a simple traditional mission; to do a few things well, to appreciate and foster a tradition of martial arts excellence, and to emphasize the things that make Uechi-ryu unique. Call it a legacy, a trust or the price you pay for calling it a Uechi School. If you want to experiment, it seem to me you call yourself something else.

All of the diversionary, inclusive, non-traditional, counter-cultural, off-beat, revolutionary, innovative, cutting-edge, semi-ralated, trendy... theories, concepts and ideas have a place to the extent that they enhance individual development. However, they are just that and should never compromise, overwhelm or in any way detract from the traditional learning experience. They should certainly not impinge on the class. They can be the icing on the cake, never the cake!

Non-traditional ideas and concepts have a place both at the individual level and as part of a traditional class. They should provide relief, (comic in some cases), enhance or reinforce principles, or at the individual level, provide a respite for those whose skill level has temporarily peaked. Either a separate class, or as a small part of a traditional workout, it is important non-traditional methods be organized and incorporated only where everyone understands the experimental nature of the material, participation is voluntary for the most part, there is some expert guidance (in Uechi at least) and some thought given to the relation with traditional Uechi study.

Frankly, I would be very cautious introducing new ideas and concepts into a general class but that is the framework I would use to incorporate any new idea or concept.
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Phils said: "Therefore, a traditional school has an obligation to the majority of the students, I believe, to carry out a simple traditional mission; to do a few things well, to appreciate and foster a tradition of martial arts excellence, and to emphasize the things that make Uechi-ryu unique. Call it a legacy, a trust or the price you pay for calling it a Uechi School."

This I agree with completely.

However, Phils also said: "If you want to experiment, it seem to me you call yourself something else."

This I disagree with completely.

The following comments, while generated by the topic of "traditional" introduced by Phils, are NOT, I repeat NOT, directed at him in any way (I don't know him so they can't be). This is my personal rant only. This is my personal opinion of "traditional".

Traditional is an interesting word. Stephen Hayes wrote an excellent article about it once.

What is traditional?

Is it being a slave to drills designed in the last forty years or less (how old does something have to be, to be traditional)?

Is it being locked into a static never evolving system?

Does it mean we cannot do anything but the drills created for testing purposes?

Is it being completely bound to Okinawan, I mean Japanese, I mean Chinese culture? (Or rather, what we think that culture is.)

What is traditional?

Is it merging the tiger, dragon and crane styles of kung fu?

Is it adding in five more kata?

Is it adding in and then dropping or changing drills?

Just what is traditional?

To some the word means unchanging, or rigid. However, just by doing what we do our skills improve and therefore how we do it MUST change.

What is traditional?

Is it getting together with a bunch of martial brothers or sisters and trying to come up with the most effective method of self defense? That is after all the true legacy of where most martial arts have come from.

Martial arts were created for self defense. Along this martial path it was found to also lead to health and spiritual benefits. But the true tradition is found in the basic purpose to be as effective as you can be.

Is traditional studying under three four or more teachers of different styles as many legends of martial arts did?

I love reading the history of martial arts and the people who created them or became legendary within a style. Guess what. Those people were all a bunch of eclectics that did not stick with traditions. They continued to grow, learn and evolve as martial artists until the day they died. It is said that the great Chen Taiji stylist Master Hong would only allow the book he wrote on Taiji to be published after he died because until that time he kept updating it.

So does that mean that anything anyone adds is okay. No. The test is effectiveness. If it isn't effective then eventually true martial artists will not do it.

So what is traditional Uechi Ryu? To me it is the kata. Does that mean that we all must do the kata the same? I do not think so. I cannot conceive of such a thought. Besides whose way will be THE TRADITIONAL ACCEPTABLE WAY? (I vote for mine, but next week it may be a bit different so stay tuned.)

What is traditional Uechi Ryu? A bunch of guys in China trying to be effective fighters? The Stone Fist Society? The group in the back room of the Brockton Dojo? Isn't traditional trying to live up to THAT legacy?

The greatest thing about Uechi Ryu is its versatility and constant evolution. If you don't think it is evolving watch some old tapes or read or listen to the words of those who came before or watch what is being done by the Seniors today. It is very true that not all change will be good (look at Dan Kumite or that sword defense in Seisan Bunkai ... whoops ... must remember: inside voice -- outside voice), but stay honest and true to effectiveness and you cannot go too far wrong.

Bill: the line is a long way away, but just look for Billy Blanks to locate the other side.

The base is fine and getting better every day, Peace ....


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Rick wrote: <blockquote> What is traditional Uechi Ryu? A bunch of guys in China trying to be effective fighters? The Stone Fist Society? The group in the back room of the Brockton Dojo? Isn't traditional trying to live up to THAT legacy?</blockquote>
Think about it. Was Kanbun Uechi less than traditional when he made changes to the “system” he brought back from China?
It is laughable to me that so many of us today look to practice an “affable” version of Uechi-Ryu, under the guise of “traditionalism”! I see lots of examples of “affable” Uechi-Ryu in Dan tests these days; Yep, very “affable” display of bunkais and kumite as well.
The only Uechi that has ever impressed me is the one practiced by Kihohide Shinjio sensei!
<blockquote> but stay honest and true to effectiveness and you cannot go too far wrong.</blockquote>
Wise words Rick. The problem is most people reading this have no idea what effectiveness is. They truly believe that their performance in a watered down, choreographed Dan Kumite or Bunkai, and some half-ass sparring and dead fish kata, has them well prepared for the street. No wonder they were wide eyed at the receiving end of Jim Witherall’s rifle shots [Bill Wallace type kicks] that would stun a mule! They thought they were up against someone from another planet!



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Historically, the majority of great martial artists had a base foundation in one art and when they got proficient they added the necessary fighting skill sets to improve themselves from other arts.

Sun Lu Tang did it. Cheng Ting Hua did it. Jigoro Kano did it. Ueshiba did it. The list goes on and on. Shishiwa did it (Of course I don't know for sure, but I'd bet the mortagage.) Also, there was a lot of interaction on training and fighting concepts with the Okinawan's (different guys from Naha and Shuri showing eachother, "this is how I do it, how do you do it, kind of thing) It still goes on today.

There's no pure water. It's all a little muddy.

I've asked this question before, it's rhetorical but still important. Bill was the only one to give an answer. But, the thread's topic deals directly with the question. What are the major principles of Uechi-ryu, and can other concepts be brought in without violating the 'style?'

One parting comment, I believe the old master's didn't give a rat's @$$ about adhering to a particular style. They did whatever was efficient for martial combat.

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As someone who's never studied Uechi-ryu, this is an "outside-looking-in" comment. (However, from what I've seen, I'd rather have some Uechi-ka beside me in an altercation than have them across from me. Image )

When questioning whether modifications can or should be allowed, any "traditional" karate-ka (meaning: Uechi, Goju, Shotokan, Kyokushin, etc.) needs to realize that there comes a point when enough study has occured, enough time doing Sanchin (Seiyunchin, Sanseiru, Suparenpei, Kanwa, whatever) that, as the saying goes, "light dawns over marblehead"!

Funakoshi Gichin was a man of small stature (physically), so the techniques in his forms showed that. Yamaguchi was a tall man and his forms were different... and they were different from Miyagi Chojun. They took the traditional forms and "made them their own."
They also were such excellent sensei that they were able to help all the different students that they had do the same thing.

So, as "traditionalists", do we allow change and innovation or do we adhere to the strict movements as taught? As with everything there are two answers:

1) No! When someone is a "beginner" (and that can go past "getting a black-belt"), then with the exception of some modifications for their own body-style or special needs that any good sensei can help them with, these people should not be changing things. Not that they can't ever, just that in order to be able to change or modify something you first need a thorough understanding of what it is you are changing and why. IMNSHO, that doesn't come in 2, 4, 7, years... At this level nothing should be allowed by the senior members of a style that would in any way "water it down". ***

2) Yes! Think about the change and innovations that created our traditional styles... How many kata are named Kan-something because Uechi came up with them? What of the Gekisai kata that Miyagi came up with? What about all the variations of Sanchin... not just between styles but sometimes even within styles? And all the different kata that make up Shotokan, Kyokushin, Wado, and on and on... These kata would not even exist if it weren't for the innovation of some very excellent Masters! The key points are that they serve a purpose, they further the art(s), and they do not water the style(s) down.

Having interjected that...
Can a newly promoted gokkyu come up with a new form? Besides the obvious answer that anyone can put together some steps/punches/kicks and call it the "supah-joe-blow-kata", the answer must be emphatically that the gokkyu hasn't enough experience to make those changes.
Could someone of say... Professor Mattson's calibre or Van Canna's ability contribute to a style with modifications or perhaps even a "new" kata that would benefit all the styles practitioners while not "watering down" the style? The answer must be a resounding "yes"! Do these practitioners with decades upon decades of experience come up with new forms? It is extremely rare, not because they can't, but because they have enough time and experience with their style to truly understand it...


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Many years ago, I was approached by some prospective students. The question was asked "How long to get a black-belt"? (Everyone who's heard that raise your hand... sheesh, OK, put 'em all down now! Image ) I said that it depended on them and could be a few years or never... no guarantees. Naturally, I was told that the Mc-school a few towns away guaranteed black-belt in XX time. (Fine, go there... Image Probably should have had a different attitude, but I didn't.) One of the things that helped my decision to leave teaching was this "what do you mean 'no guarantees'" attitude that I got tired of trying to explain... that and the fact that since we weren't getting the enrollment of the Mc-school(s) that were popping up with their guaranteed program, there was some talk about "maybe we shouldn't work out so hard, so less folks will be scared away". (Also, we didn't have colored belts for adults and that was thought to be a problem as well... Image )

Canna-sempai, Glasheen-sempai, Professor,

Don't "water down" your expectations! Help those who fall short rise to the challenge and meet the expectations! Seems you have all done an admirable job of that... and that's the only way any style can maintain the respect that it deserves. I'd say that when you see some "watered down performance", some lame "choreographed Dan Kumite or Bunkai", or some "half-assed" sparring or kata, whether in your dojo, at a regional workout/seminar, or on a rank test (for any rank), the time is ripe for a quick "mini-seminar" (I'd even advocate doing this right in the middle of a test, but then I'm a little too passionate about this type of thing Image ) to open the eyes to the explosive violence of the real world(tm) and teach the person who has (for lack of a better term) offended the style exactly what they need to be doing and exactly what is expected. The success of a style doesn't come from creating failures, but rather from taking those who would water things down and "turning up their volume" to a point where they realize the benefits of being truly "successful".

Just my .02 yens worth...




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Opening mouth, preparing to insert foot:

Often times in the martial arts, I have found that 'traditionalism' is used as an excuse for stagnation. When I was in Aikido, a number of students I knew were horrified at the idea that I would try to modify techniques, or come up with defenses to attacks outside the Aikido cirriculum...

The bottom line is, an art can either exist in an 'alive' or 'dead' state. In order for an art to be 'alive' it must EVOLVE. It must change. Otherwise, we are not doing a martial art, but a form of rythmic dance!

If the goal of the art is self-defense then, well, you better start incorporating grappling drills, groundfighting, scenarios, ect... If you're goal is to be a master pressure point fighter, then you better look up Sensei Dillman, or an equivilent, and you'd best get to work!

Clinging to a drill simply because someone in Okinawa, China, or Japan did it years ago is beyond foolish.

You can't move forward by looking backwards.
Personally, I don't know what direction "Uechi" as a whole should go. That's for others to decide. But in the end, there are two options: It can either go somewhere, or go nowhere

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Phils

I think you are on track here, as was Joe when talking about his previous thread. Before you can understand what is in bounds and out of bounds, you need to define what core elements and/or principles define what this system is. And before you can understand whether or not a student is worthy of promotion, you need to have an objective way to assess whether or not the person meets with those principles.

It is about effectiveness and it isn't. Mike Tyson can probably clean anyone's clock who shows up for a Uechi dan test (when he isn't obsessing about whose children he'd eat next). But we wouldn't give him a dan in Uechi ryu because he operates under a different set of principles, works in a different venue, and uses different tools to display and practice his craft. Effectiveness is a necessary but not sufficient condition for determining whether or not something is a critical element in a style. We'd call him a champion boxer and a bad mother Shut your mouth!....but we'd never call him a Uechika.

Sanchin is a critical part of the style, but we'd never give Miyagi Chojun a dan in Uechiryu (yet) because he does his sanchin very differently. You may like that he does palm heel strikes in his sanchin (as opposed to thumb strikes) and may preach the merits of it. In fact they are deadly techniques! But palm heel strikes per se aren't in Uechi sanchin. You may like the dynamic tension method and the dragon breathing with the motions, but it's not done that way in Uechi sanchin. So the practice of sanchin is also a necessary but not sufficient condition for being a Uechika.

I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it! I think if we want to avoid confusion about identity, it may be necessary to do a little better than that in the future in Uechi ryu (the defining part, that is...).

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Philis,

I agree with much of what you say. Although others will debate the "traditioal" values of Uechi Ryu and the need to evolve into other variations of personal references, i might suggest that the "basic fundamentals" of our style must stay intact ! That is if we are to continue calling it Uechi Ryu and continue to refer to it as a "Traditional" style.

Some question what is "traditional" in it's meaning and as in all other words in our english language, we can bend meaning to our own interpretation.

We should not confuse the "elements" within our form and/or performance as anything other than what they are. To suggest that kata's might be o.k. to change from the basic format that we all shoud know, stances, circle blocks, toe kicks, shokens ect.is not keeping any traditional value in the style. As Philis suggest, to deviate or experiment in class is one thing, to have people doing kata and/or whatever completely different from eachother at testing, is not keeping the "basic fundementals" of our style intact.

I am not refering to how ones "breathing" is, during or after a strike, or if there exsist some stomping along with a strong strike or block, but the basic format of our system. That we should all know at advanced levels.

Want to be another "Eclectic" system ? Fine, but say you are. Nothing wrong with mixing other arts and knowledge and expanding upon it. But, when going before a board for Uechi Rank, the basic fundemenatls of form and bunkai need be presented.





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My idea of trandition means the essence of a style, so that when an element is removed, it ceases to exist as a distinct style. I don't disagree necessarily with anything written although perhaps the degree to which we would strike a balance might differ.

We can talk about different levels of effectiveness, evolution and levels of understanding but it is very obvious the style has undergone huge change. Please first let's agree Sanchin is a traditional element?

Since there are only three main kata, the rest being traditional exercises, derived and I take it recent bridging kata, bunkai etc., the more interesting problem is why it so difficult to establish competence?... or do I misunderstand the difficulty with promotions?

To me, it goes to the heart of the original question about the foundation and what gets too far out.
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When talking about "traditional Uechi-Ryu, we must consider what is traditional.

1. The hourglass stance.
Yes
2. The open handed (with closed fingers, but that could be another thread)strikes.
Yes
3. The mawashi uke.
Yes
4. The mawate turn.
Yes
5. Breathing out after the strike is completed.
Yes

Do we know if any of these should be changed?
Maybe.

I would like to examine the breathing. The idea that holding your breath while executing a strike is unnatural. It causes the pressure in your head to build up beyond a point that is considered healthy. It also conflicts with the theory that you should expell all your energy into the target. How can one achieve this elimination of energy when it is bottled up inside.

I have seen many beginner students perform their sanchin kata, holding their breath, and when finished can not regain their breathing.

One should perform their movements as fast as possible and the "traditional breathing" of the Sanchin Kata does not coincide with the explosive performance of the advanced techniques.

Why do some styles Kiyi when striking? To effectively expell and compress all of the energy in all of the organs (including the lungs) into the target.

Isn't breathing out while you strike a silent Kiyi?
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Len

This is almost worth its own thread. I was about to start one that had many of the elements you put in this post. Oh well...let's roll with it.

I have been studying this breathing issue for a very, very long time. I have studied it by reading material on this style, talking to various masters, studying breathing in other martial styles, and researching breathing both in my academic specialty (systems physiology) and in sports medicine books. In a few words, the answers to the questions are complex, but the practical approaches can be made very simple.

How many breathing approaches are there?

Actually more than a few. These are the major ones:

1) Breathe with the techniques

2) Breathe in-between the techniques

3) Kiai

4) Dragon breathing. Also called ibuki breathing. This is basically restricting the inhale with the nostrils, and restricting the exhale with the "throat" (actually the epiglottis). Note I said restrict - NOT inhibit. In the parlance of fluid dynamics, you are creating an airway stenosis or resistance (as opposed to occlusion).

5) Valsalva. If you read the rantings of Mr. Morris somewhere on the web, he'll tell you that people who do sanchin perform Valsalva breathing. Mr. Morris only shows his ignorance (or his insecurities) with these rantings. Valsalva is breath holding (total airway occlusion) and straining (diaphragmatic and/or abdominal wall and/or intercostal muscle contraction). It's something a physician has you do in his office to test autonomic nervous system responses. It's something that some folks do when taking a dump on the toilet. I'm sure Dr. Freud would have something to say about Mr. Morris' obsession. Valsalva has absolutely nothing to do with martial arts.

When is each type of breathing used?

* Breathing with techniques.

Physiologists have a name for this: entrainment. Complex analyses of runners and racing horses show that these creatures - when performing a repetitive physical activity in an aerobic fashion - will often breathe in a pattern similar to the physical motion. Thus a slow jog may be two steps for the inhale and two steps for the exhale. A half-mile race may be one breath per step. Horses similarly follow variable patterns of entrained breathing depending on their oxygen demand and the activity being performed. So...it is a natural phenomenon.

Many martial arts styles - and some boxing coaches - teach students to exhale with thrusts. These are usually styles that have a "one shot to kill" attitude about their fighting. Each technique is thrown with maximal power, and little deference to the next technique being thrown. Some martial arts instructors will carry this a bit further and have students inhale on a block and exhale on the subsequent thrust. Does this make sense? Absolutely. What happens when you are surprised? The noise some people make is the sudden inhale caused by a diaphragmatic contraction. If we program in a blocking response to a sucker punch, then the "surprise inhale" will essentially be exactly what we naturally do in such a situation. This then is easily followed by the explosive exhale and thrust.

* Breathing in-between techniques

Technically speaking we can breathe in-between techniques in a regular fashion, and have "entrained breathing". This is actually something I do in the "body" of my sanchin kata. I breathe in regular intervals, and thrust in-between the breaths. Any type of regular breathing (with or in-between techniques) helps a person meditate. Books can be written on state of mind and learning, or state of mind and facing a threat. Suffice it to say it is interesting and important.

But the most important reason to breathe in-between techniques is to de-couple the breathing from the physical activity. Thus one may choose to breathe at either regular or irregular intervals. Breathing in an irregular fashion is the more advanced version of this type of breathing, and actually what happens naturally when we don't think about it too much.

Why would we want to de-couple the breath from the physical activity? I've heard lots of reasons, and I'm not sure I agree with all of them. Dollar writes <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
Uechi ryu karate is practiced by holding the breath until after the completion of a strike. This aids in muscle tension and focuses all exertion into the strike. Holding the breath during a maximum effort strike is similar to a weight lifter holding his breath until the completion of the lift. This directs all energy into the execution without losing power through the exhale.
Some of this I agree with, and some of it I don't. First of all, I personally do not hold my breath when I lift weights, for the very reasons that Mr. Morris rants about on his web page somewhere. It isn't healthy. I'll talk about this later. Furthermore, others have used the same argument (putting more power into the strike) as a reason to exhale with (rather than after) the strike or thrust. And...I actually might agree with them.

When you practice and get coordinated, you can walk and chew gum at the same time. It is possible to maintain the trunk firmness while exhaling. I do it all the time when I squat with hundreds of pounds on my back. If ever there is a time to have a firm trunk, that's the time. But it takes time to develop that kind of hard/soft coordination. And yet it's no different than demanding that the student contract the latissimus and forearm muscles while relaxing the biceps and posterior deltoids during a thrust.

So what is my reasoning? It has to do with your stylistic approach to fighting. Some folks like to go for the home run; others like a series of batters to hit base hits and eventually get one of them to score. George Foreman and some of the old Cuban boxers were "home run hitters." Muhammad Ali - someone who openly admitted he couldn't thrown a "knockout punch" - fought with flurries of techniques. One way or another, you get the score.

If you want to know why someone would breathe in-between techniques, try this simple exercise. Do a karate punch in your stance of choice. Do it with and without a breath. You will probably feel that you can get a little more oomph if you exhale with the punch. Now...perform a double punch. Then do a triple punch. What is the most natural thing to do? If you exhale during the entire triple punch...it doesn't make sense. If you exhale with each punch in the sequence...you'll be there all day. The easiest way to throw three techniques in a row with optimal power and speed is to throw them while waiting until you are done to take a breath. And if you do it fast enough, it's no big deal finding the time to breathe. A good fighter always fights with variable timing; there's always time to breathe. Look at the advanced Uechi kata; they are filled with technique flurries. But there are other elements too; one must not get obsessed with any one way.

Another good reason to de-couple breathing is because you may not need to put maximal, whole-body power into a technique. Uechi's signature technique is the shoken. It's less sledgehammer and more surgeons scalpel. In fact its best use is probably in the slow but methodical manipulations of a clinch or grapple. While the wrestler is attempting to restrain you and slowly take you out with either a "choke" (lateral vascular neck restraint) or a joint hyperextension, you find an "owie point" and just dig in. The PPCT folks (like Bruce Siddle and Jim Malone) also teach such manipulations to policemen and guards to bring a subject into control. Usually they will do the manipulation, and immediately follow that with a command to the prisoner. Breathing with the technique just confuses things.

* Dragon breathing

This is my personal label for this type of breathing, and I'm sure I'm not the only one to use it. Basically one restricts the inhale with the nostrils, and restricts the exhale with the throat or epiglottis. The dragon reference makes note of the noise one makes when performing this type of breathing. It's important to do both types of restrictions in the same breath cycle when doing more than one breath in a row using this method.

What is the functional benefit of this type of breathing?

The first one is exercise of the muscles involved in breathing. Restricting the breath creates a load on the muscles (diaphragm, intercostal, trunk) that are used in breathing. Resistance training improves strength. There is no weight machine that directly exercises the breathing muscles. But breathing with a restricted inhale and exhale when you do weight training will provide natural, internal resistance.

The second benefit is similar to what Dollar wrote about above. Yes, you can firm up all the trunk muscles by holding the breath and straining a bit. But is this wise? Not for any length of time, and not with too much strain. So consider the epiglottis and the nostrils to be like the calibrated weight on the pressure cooker. The goal of the weight on a pressure cooker is to put an upper limit on the pressure that can be achieved within the cooker. This keeps the thing from blowing up. Similarly, offering a resistance like this to an inhale and exhale will limit the maximal positive (on exhale) and negative (on inhale) intrapleural (inside the chest) pressure. These pressures are conveyed to the cardiovascular system across the elastic vena cava. Thus we keep the blood pressure swings with respiration - a natural phenomenon - from being too large.

A third benefit is actually a carryover from what I just discussed. Goju sanchin - with its ibuki or dragon breathing, is designed to exercise the body. With this breathing, one exercises the breathing muscles. But one also pumps blood through the body. The alternating positive and negative intrapleural pressure that is a response to the restricted exhales and inhales will cause a kind of pumping action on the vena cava. When you restrict the inhale, you ****** de-oxygenated blood from the body into the vena cava. When you restrict the exhale, you squeeze this vena cava blood into the heart. There are also various autonomic nervous system processes (Bainbridge reflex) and cardiac muscle properties (Starling law of the heart) which enhance this mechanical pumping activity.

Is there a martial application other than exercise? I think so. Like the weight lifter, I like to breathe when doing a high-resistance motion in my kata. Thus in the double-shokened lift/turn/thrust in seisan, I do a restricted inhale and exhale with the motion while creating an artificial resistance in my muscles with dynamic tension to simulate the body I am allegedly moving. When I throw or push someone, I exhale as if moving a weight in the weight room.

* Kiai

Actually I believe the kiai is kind of like a cross between exhaling with the thrust and doing dragon breathing. It is a special type of exhale done with maximal effort. It is very natural to let the air going through the lungs vibrate the vocal chords. Some restriction of the breath is naturally involved with that. In the weight room, a kiai is done naturally when doing a maximal effort. In the fighting arena, the kiai charges the spirit. It is a touch of drama that puts our mind into the mood. Kiais are also an effective self defense technique. Shouting is indeed something found on the force continuum of modern self-defense gurus.

So...what do we do in Uechi

Some might be surprised by my own personal opinion. I have been exposed to all this in my various martial arts. My personal belief is similar to Uechi Kanei's. In a sentence, do what is natural. There's a time to breathe with the technique and a time to hold the breath. There's a time to hiss and a time to shout. Whatever you do, you should understand why you are doing it. It should make sense to you, and you should practice as you want to perform.

As much as I try to get people to snap their heads to attention when the T.C. folks exhale with their sanchin strikes, a part of me is glad this is happening. All along we Virginians (my students) have been playing with all these types of breathing. I'm glad folks like Van Canna are experimenting. When I worked with Mr. Takamiyagi in the eighties, he preached that kata should have fast parts and slow part and tense parts and loose parts. Kata should be like life. Kata should display our entire dynamic range. No single method works under all conditions. We should be ready for whatever comes our way.

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Excellent post Bill. You explained my prefered method of breathing much better than I've been able to explain it! More importantly, you point out that there are many methods of breathing, each with it's own strengths and weaknesses.

Obviously Kanbun Uechi stressed a specific style of breathing to go with his method of performing this system. He may not have explained it scientifically or as dogma, which accounts for our being able to try different ways of breathing today, without being called heretics.

I'm not so quick to embrace a different way to breath, simply because it is easier or helps me perform a stronger technique. The old masters who trained with Kanbun, especially Kanei Uechi, stressed separating the breathing from the movement too much to simply disgard it because other styles don't do it, any more than I would disgard the Sanchin stance because the horse stance is more powerful. (Rememember the 60s & 70s when we were the only ones to use a high stance?)

Uechi-ryu is more of a Chinese system than Okinawan. We should do more research into our roots to determine how Uechi-ryu was meant to be performed before throwing out the heart of the system. On the other hand, there certainly isn't anything wrong with doing Uechi-ryu with an Okinawan 'power' emphasis.

As we specialize in a specific Uechi emphasis, lets not become dogmatic in our discoveries. Allow others to explore the system and justify their way of performing the kata and applications. That is what makes our style so great.

On the other hand, what we do is a martial art, and regardless how we breath, punch or kick, the bottom line is the effectiveness of the technique.

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My favorite way of looking at Sanchin is as three things: meditation, internalizing hard/soft transition, and a training tool for optimum alignment and integration of muscles and skeleton.

It doesn't seem any more strange to separate breathing from movement in this context than to separate stepping from striking. If anything, it helps me to maintain the same amount of mental focus on each aspect throughout the exercise.

I feel that practice performing in this manner also would help in the most dire, stressful and sudden encounters that are possible. The kind of instant that could fall at any phase of the breathing cycle. And the chemical cocktail, which causes the breathing to go somewhat haywire and out of contol.

Even though I'm not enrolled in a Uechi dojo at this time, Uechi sanchin has become an important and very enjoyable part of my lifestyle for want of a better word. I think of this kind of thing as a passed down treasure or a blessing.

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