RICH MOONEY RESULTS?

[student]

May I just offer a few words of congratulations to the posters for the civility of the discussion?

I realize that many here hold passionate and opposed beliefs on the subject, and that in the past personalities clashed.

You may put me down as an agnostic believer in ch'i/ki/qi/prana/ruach; I have experienced sufficient things to persuade me that it is a subject worthy of study, but I am not claiming it has been proven to the point that I could collect that $1,000,000.
(Sigh. Best I still try to get on Regis' show for that.... )

student

[This message has been edited by student (edited October 27, 2000).]

[Panther]

Is that your final answer?

ROTFLMAO!

[adrian]

Perhaps there is an element of direction needed by the energy that was compromised by the removal of the line of site between the subject and the test participants ?

Perhaps in another test the recipients could be blindfolded, ear muffed (if there is such a word) and separated by a glass plate so the Sifu Mooney can see them ?

If effects can be shown, another interesting step would be to test it in different mediums (cool/warm air, water etc.) to try and get a handle on the carrier method.

Adrian.

[gmattson]

I would agree with your modified test, had Sifu Mooney been unable to perform out-of- site "empty" force before. We have clips on this site that show Rich moving people who were out of site at Evan's dojo. Therefore, we have a reasonable belief that the critera you mention, should not be necessary in a test.

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GEM

[adrian]

GEM,

I wholly understand what you're saying. I realise that Sifu Mooney declared his abilities, agreed that the test scenario was valid before commencing the trial, and failed to produce the results that he expected. The trouble is that this (verging on religious) debate will continue raging on with neither side giving ground unless more time is given to testing this 'ability'. So it might be worth throwing some more tests at it to silence people.

Do you think people condemning this trial are doing so because they want LKG to be real, or because they actually consider the conditions of the trial to have been flawed ?

Adrian.

[gmattson]

Would you believe that 99% of the participants and organizers of the test would have preferred Sifu Mooney succeed in the test?

The problem is that our willingness to believe, will affect the outcome of any demonstration that is not controlled.

Anything I say or the scientist say, will not change the beliefs of most people who have experienced the effects of a 'no touch' knockout anymore than having 500 believers testify to their belief will sway a scientist to accept such testimonials as fact.

Did the '99 test change anyone's opinion? If not, was the test a wasted effort?

I'll post a new poll today, asking these questions. It will be on the same page as the test results. I'll be most interested in what everyone has to say.



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GEM

[Bill Glasheen]

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Would you believe that 99% of the participants and organizers of the test would have preferred Sifu Mooney succeed in the test?

I don't know if I can count myself among the 99%, but I was not among those that wanted to see him fail. I wanted to assess what he was able to do. I was born with a natural curiosity about how things work. I used to get into all kinds of trouble as a kid taking toys and clocks apart that weren't mine (I couldn't always get them back together ). I was destined for a life in research.

We did not prove anything with the experiment. We merely showed what Mr. Mooney was NOT able to do. This narrows the possibilities down, and makes it easier to hypothesize the mechanism behind his rather dramatic ability. Just because it may be more trivial doesn't mean it isn't useful.

But on the subject of success vs. failure, let's view this from my perspective for a second. If I want tickets to Stockholm (for the Nobel Prize), what chance do I have getting there by disproving things? Absolutely zilch. Do you remember when cold fusion was announced? Remember the folks that got on TV? Now...tell me if you know the names of the people who showed that it wasn't what the original scientists thought it was. I sure can't. Folks like me make a name for themselves by orchestrating a series of elegantly designed experiments to isolate a phenomenon or create a thing that previously was not known to the general public.

If anyone wants to make me famous, be my guest. Unlike what some suggest, it isn't in the best interest of my legacy to be a perpetual naysayer.

- Bill

[gmattson]

Please participate in the poll, which I've posted about an hour ago: http://uechi-ryu.com

Thanks,

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GEM