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I can remember my wife telling me a story about how number-1 son reacted when he was a baby and was brought to one of those newborn interaction classes. Yes...every parent brags ad nauseum about Johnny and how he can do this and that. But this story and others make me pause and reflect on how the genes seem to find their way down the generations. At least I know it wasn't the mailman... Anyhow, this group leader was walking around the room from baby to baby with a puppet that dangled from strings. Ideally the worker wanted the babies to look at and respond to the puppet. Well...number 1 son consistently ignored the puppet and instead kept looking at the hand that was operating it. That's my boy!

Do not copy their journey. Instead, seek what they sought.

And so it goes with martial arts training, learning, and teaching. What was it about the Shaolin model that made it so successful? Should we be satisfied with learning and memorizing every detail discussed, taught, and practiced back in the heyday of Chinese martial arts? Should we be focusing on every nuance and habit of those great masters of the Okinawan tradition? Certainly history and anthropology are approaches that allow us to build the present from the gains of the past. But sometimes the lessons of those disciplines are staring at us in the face, and we don't realize it. We become hypnotized by the detail, and we are blind to the picture. We memorize the methods, and become ignorant of the methodology. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
I envision the sanchin strike as a shot to the throat.
- Comment of a green belt to a visiting instructor

What has continued to fascinate me about the Shaolin model is their interest in developing a whole individual. They worked the entire breadth of the force continuum from empty-handed methods to the lethal weapons of their day. But technique wasn't the only training. There was the study of calligraphy and of medicine. So what was so significant about those aspects? The study of calligraphy was the equivalent of a general educational background. And the link between the healing and fighting arts represented the need in both domains to understand how the human body works.

Sometimes I am fascinated and awed by what previous generations understood about human structure and function. Surely the system of medicine of the Shaolin era was complex. The body was treated via methods of manipulation (acupuncture) and pharmacology (herbs). Some of these methods are still used today. Acupuncture has found its way into the "alternative" domain of western medicine, as have most osteopathic methods. Herbs have largely been replaced by modern pharmaceuticals, but there are still Chinese herbs in common use that have yet to be analyzed. The applications of herbs vs. Rx is actually quite similar. And then there is the whole domain of allopathic medicine, based on an understanding of anatomy and physiology.

Teaching "traditional" martial arts creates challenges. On the one hand, there is much information that is timeless. On the other hand, some of what gets passed down is anachronistic when considering the advancements in what we know about the human body. It isn't just a matter of how we do kyu kumite vs. what we do in the sparring ring, or the street for that matter. Athleticism and movement remain largely a common denominator. The true cutting edge of an art lies in the optimal method of expression that is relevant to the environment.

I have often wondered what it would be like if we tried to recreate that Shaolin model. Would we have people painting calligraphy and learning about Yin/Yang and the cycles of the elements? I don't think so...unless we held the kinds of fascinations (and aversions) equivalent to those shared by the Amish. Instead, I would imagine we would have something like (or even part of) a university environment where "experts" (masters, professors, instructors, coaches...) could teach both the fundamentals and the cutting-edge applications. Yes, there would be the need for the all-important laboratory classes and even work/study (practicing kata, sparring, doing simulation exercises). We might also consider methods (and toys Image ) employed by the modern armed forces. But what else would be part of the curriculum? How about the following:

* Reading/writing skills
* Sciences (physics, biology, chemistry, anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, pharmacology...)
* Communication classes
* Classes in teaching methods
* Etc.

Or...maybe one could consider integration with an existing academic setting. How valuable is a general education to a good athlete? More than many would admit. Just look at how some (not all) NBA folks who skipped college have screwed up their lives. What about a degree in some medical field (MD, RN, NP, PA, etc.)? What about a sports medicine or physical trainer degree?

Now...compare that to what we have today, with people floating through opportunities in life as if undergoing Brownian movement. Some of it works. Sometimes...I see opportunities.

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Bill-san,

Most excellent post - deserving of a spot on the articles section.

I've had to become somewhat selective of what I read anymore on the forums as they are growing so fast - and time does not permit the reading of every post or every forum. I get wake up calls in the realities forum and peruse a few other stops - but I don't make it over here as often. This post made me glad I stopped in - thought provoking and a good read. Thanks.

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Post by LenTesta »

I agree with you Lori,

A very good post indeed Bill.

Following is my theory of your ideas. I do not intend this to be all-inclusive. If anyone wishes to add to these ideas please do so.

* Reading/writing skills
In Gary Koury's CD, Japanese Language for the Modern Dojo, he describes the need to learn the proper language of the techniques to be able to understand what was intended. How many sensei say "wrist blocks" for th exercise; koi no shippo uchi tate uchi. The translation is...Tail (shippo), of the carp (koi), strike (uchi), perpendicular (tate), strike (uchi). Gary goes on to say "how does this change your perception of the movement. It is not to performed as a block. It is to be performed as a strike.
The second part of the exercise is the same;
koi no shippo uchi YOKO uchi. Yoko (side), uchi (strike). Side STRIKES, not blocks. By understanding the language we can determine what the founder was teaching.

* Sciences (physics, biology, chemistry, anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, pharmacology...) Need for the study of these areas is very important. Knowing how the body performs movements (physics,) will eliminate the potential injuries when incorrectly performing a movement. Example: How many Uechi practitioners have you seen perform a front kick with the supporting foot in a straight forward position. This is not conducive to a proper hip movement.

Learning the body pressure points (biology, anatomy) is important to be able to render your opponent a devastating blow.

Learn how to heal the body (pharmacology, herbology). Reducing injuries and preventative maintenance of the body will keep the martial arts student’s attendance in the dojo from dropping due to nagging muscle soreness.

* Communication classes
Verbal Self Defense. Learn how to recognize and control the effects of emotion and anger during confrontations and how to diffuse the situation so a non-violent outcome is established.

* Classes in teaching methods
Instructor’s classes to train the trainer in standardized forms and techniques. All the instructors should be teaching the same principles as the sensei. All sensei should be teaching the same principles as the organization. All should be teaching what is beneficial to health and performance. All should teach to be non-violent and give the other person the benefit of the doubt whenever possible.

*Etc
Everyone should have the ability to investigate alternative techniques and principles. Everyone should communicate ideas with no prejudice.


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Good points, Lenny.

Thanks, Lori.

I realized I missed a few areas of specialty that are very important.

1) I can't believe I missed the field of psychology. I hope Paul is still on speaking terms with me. Image VERY important.

2)More and more, mathematics and engineering prove to be promising areas of research for understanding the physics and biomechanics of motion. The following is an example of how engineers used finite element analysis to understand the biting function of Allosaurus fragilis vs. Tyrannosaurus rex. The journal in which it was published (Nature) is one of the classics of science. It is where, by the way, Einstein first published his theory of relativity.

www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v409/n6823/full/409987a0_fs.html

And for more technical detail,

www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v409/n6823/full/4091033a0_fs.html

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Bill -

Tremendous post!

One of the most provocative I've read in a while.

In reference to your statement about following the path of our ancestors, I find it simply amazing how so many of us travel only 'partially' down the path, even while we are holding the map.

It's funny how we can get caught up in blindly doing what worked well for others, without ever testing it themselves.

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Post by paul giella »

Hi, Bill!
The ideal of a Martial Arts University along the lines you suggest, the Shaolin model, has been a fantasy much entertained by GEM over the years. But remained at the level of fantasy only because of the practicalities. And yet I think we have appraoched it, or at least a teaspoon of it, through these forums. Especially your forum. Though there is no formal mechanism for granting degrees, GEM and yourself and others have created a sort of University-Without-Walls wherein the very subject areas you refer to are discussed at a high level of sophistication by a number of experts (in their professional fields as well as in martial arts). About the contribution of psychology; several of us have been able to contribute valuable ideas. To my mind not the least of which has been that psychology is not about wishful thinking or abracadabra-stage-magic (i.e.; "I used psychology on him")but rather about seeing things clearly as they really are (more like zen applied to human behavior). A problem with the actual Shaolin was its extremely limited access. Maybe that added to the mystery and the legend, but it did not help disseminate the knowledge. Your forum, our Univerity-Without-Walls, has the distinct advantage of accessibility to anyone, anywhere. Now, about being open to the ideas presented... we have to 'empty our teacups', no?
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Post by Evan Pantazi »

Ah Glasheen Sensei,

I too enjoyed the post and would like to add that we (our School), regularly do Massage, Chi Gong, Meditaion and other related aspects. It gives the Art a wholeness in feel and attitude, as you depicted, as it helps reach areas in development that are hard to find elsewhere.

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