I went through my entire 2nd year of college in the dorms with a carbon steel sword on my wall.
I doubt I could've gotten away with that today. -Mike
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Sounds like an unfortunate example of post-9/11 paranoia.
I went through my entire 2nd year of college in the dorms with a carbon steel sword on my wall. I doubt I could've gotten away with that today.
-Mike
I went through my entire 2nd year of college in the dorms with a carbon steel sword on my wall.
I doubt I could've gotten away with that today. -Mike
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brian Barry:
Now this is frustrating.
Somehow the authorities at my college have discovered the fact that I have, in my possession, a foam-covered nunchuck. So I get a call from one of the deans asking me to bring both the nunchuck and any other weapons I may have down to his office. (Now the dean is a cool guy so don't think I'm upset with him or anything, I'm just a little frustrated with the entire situation) He decides that my foam nunchucks and my escrima are dangerous and that I can not have them in my possession while in the college. So now they are in... "protective custody" and won't be given back to me until I go home for break.
Gun control is one thing, but this is so much worse than that. A student can no longer have a padded nunchuck to practice with in America's colleges. Or a stick.
I am reminded of the situation of the peasants, who, not allowed swords, developed the martial arts from weapons like the bits in horses mouths (from which come nunchucks) and of course used their own hands as weapons. I guess I need to find natural objects around me that are legal and start training with them. I'm already working on turning my keychain and lanyard into a flailing weapon (with keys on two ends) and will have to develop some other stuff too.
Perhaps the school's underground newspaper will get a letter from the Oppressed Peasants Society and maybe I should begin training in secret... seriously, though, just think about the similarities to feudal China and Japan... not that far off.
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Brian-sama,
Welcome to the beginning of American Kobudo! Much as I hate to think we will HAVE to develop it.
Ask the Dean if he (or she) is going to confiscate all the dangerous drumsticks in the music department, the baseball bats in the athletic programs (and in the dorms, for that matter), the golf clubs, hard plastic yo-yos (a Malaysian and South Amerind weapon of devastating capability in the original wood - plastics now are harder and more dangerous), canes (from the differenlty-abled students) and <GASP!> the fencing foils, sabres and epees from the team members who own their own equipment?
I mean - REALLY! These guys have SWORDS for crying out loud! (tongue in cheek)
Foam Nunchaku (which came from rice flails, BTW) are about as dangerous as, well, a pair of foam rubber tubes tied together with a piece of string! Not exactly life threatening when compared to the goodies listed above.
I hate to think what the Dean is going to do to the local chapter of the Society for Creative Anachronism and THEIR hardware!
Perish the thought that a legitimate student of the MArtial Arts should seek to improve him or her self through the practice of Kobudo with safety weapons that are little more than toys - and designed to BE SAFE!
Just as an FYI, my favorite street carry weapon is a pair of 5A Ludwig drumsticks. Perfectly legal, massive enough to do damage and FAST!
You might point that out to the Dean. And maybe your local ACLU.
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
Now this is frustrating.
Somehow the authorities at my college have discovered the fact that I have, in my possession, a foam-covered nunchuck. So I get a call from one of the deans asking me to bring both the nunchuck and any other weapons I may have down to his office. (Now the dean is a cool guy so don't think I'm upset with him or anything, I'm just a little frustrated with the entire situation) He decides that my foam nunchucks and my escrima are dangerous and that I can not have them in my possession while in the college. So now they are in... "protective custody" and won't be given back to me until I go home for break.
Gun control is one thing, but this is so much worse than that. A student can no longer have a padded nunchuck to practice with in America's colleges. Or a stick.
I am reminded of the situation of the peasants, who, not allowed swords, developed the martial arts from weapons like the bits in horses mouths (from which come nunchucks) and of course used their own hands as weapons. I guess I need to find natural objects around me that are legal and start training with them. I'm already working on turning my keychain and lanyard into a flailing weapon (with keys on two ends) and will have to develop some other stuff too.
Perhaps the school's underground newspaper will get a letter from the Oppressed Peasants Society and maybe I should begin training in secret... seriously, though, just think about the similarities to feudal China and Japan... not that far off.
--Brian<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Brian-sama,
Welcome to the beginning of American Kobudo! Much as I hate to think we will HAVE to develop it.
Ask the Dean if he (or she) is going to confiscate all the dangerous drumsticks in the music department, the baseball bats in the athletic programs (and in the dorms, for that matter), the golf clubs, hard plastic yo-yos (a Malaysian and South Amerind weapon of devastating capability in the original wood - plastics now are harder and more dangerous), canes (from the differenlty-abled students) and <GASP!> the fencing foils, sabres and epees from the team members who own their own equipment?
I mean - REALLY! These guys have SWORDS for crying out loud! (tongue in cheek)
Foam Nunchaku (which came from rice flails, BTW) are about as dangerous as, well, a pair of foam rubber tubes tied together with a piece of string! Not exactly life threatening when compared to the goodies listed above.
I hate to think what the Dean is going to do to the local chapter of the Society for Creative Anachronism and THEIR hardware!
Perish the thought that a legitimate student of the MArtial Arts should seek to improve him or her self through the practice of Kobudo with safety weapons that are little more than toys - and designed to BE SAFE!
Just as an FYI, my favorite street carry weapon is a pair of 5A Ludwig drumsticks. Perfectly legal, massive enough to do damage and FAST!
You might point that out to the Dean. And maybe your local ACLU.
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
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You don't mention what state you live in but Massachusetts has some long-standing and very specific regulations in Mass. General Laws, Chapter 269 Section 12. Those weapons outlawed include but are not limited to: a switch blade, any ballistic knife, sling shot, bean blower, sword cane, pistol cane, bludgeon, blackjack, nunchaku, zoobow also known as klackers or kung fu sticks, or any similar weapon consisting of two sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather, shurikan or any similar pointed starlike object and metallic knuckles or of any other substance.
So selling these weapons and providing training to the little kiddies in Massachusetts is probably not a discreet or very ethical thing to do. Do the police enforce it? Occaisionally, when they really want to throw as much mud on the wall to see what they can get to stick.
So selling these weapons and providing training to the little kiddies in Massachusetts is probably not a discreet or very ethical thing to do. Do the police enforce it? Occaisionally, when they really want to throw as much mud on the wall to see what they can get to stick.
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Rick Wilson
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Clearly a situation too stupid for words. If you like the stick take up the cane as a weapon. Very hard to take a walking aid away from an injured person without facing ramifications.
As for silly when the Bruce Lee movies came out the nunchaku was made a prohibited weapon in Canada – totally illegal to own at all.
Rick
As for silly when the Bruce Lee movies came out the nunchaku was made a prohibited weapon in Canada – totally illegal to own at all.
Rick
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For what it's worth, I go to brandeis . . . and I know the policy here is theoretically to kick you out of housing for the rest of the year. Now, I've never heard of it being enforced (especially for padded 'chucks, of which I own a pair), however 'chucks are expressly on their list of weapons. Why I couldn't tell you, but then, we still have express rules against descriminating against Vietnam Veterans (no offense to any reading this, but really, why Vietnam in particular and how many Vietnam Vets are still trying to go to college that would be discriminated against?).
I think the point of the rules is so that if someone got a pair of 'chucks or a carbon sword (which, over e-bay, is exceedingly easy to do) and went around killing people they could say "look, it was against the rules!" and not feel stupid or get bashed by the media. But in my experience, colleges aren't going to randomly search your room unless they're looking for something . . . so long as you're an upstanding citizen (and don't have any enemies who particularly want to get you in trouble) they have no reason to search your room.
Does this mean that you'll have to be aware of this and not pick fights with cops? Well, yes, but that's the price you pay for having escrima sticks in your room, I suppose. I am sorry about the situation, of course, but all I can say is that next time when you have pseudo-legal things going on (like a few gigs of MP3's on your computer) think twice about who you tell about it and who you've given access to. These days it's really not a good idea to trust too many people. Sad, but true.
I think the point of the rules is so that if someone got a pair of 'chucks or a carbon sword (which, over e-bay, is exceedingly easy to do) and went around killing people they could say "look, it was against the rules!" and not feel stupid or get bashed by the media. But in my experience, colleges aren't going to randomly search your room unless they're looking for something . . . so long as you're an upstanding citizen (and don't have any enemies who particularly want to get you in trouble) they have no reason to search your room.
Does this mean that you'll have to be aware of this and not pick fights with cops? Well, yes, but that's the price you pay for having escrima sticks in your room, I suppose. I am sorry about the situation, of course, but all I can say is that next time when you have pseudo-legal things going on (like a few gigs of MP3's on your computer) think twice about who you tell about it and who you've given access to. These days it's really not a good idea to trust too many people. Sad, but true.
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Brian,
If you still want to practice go to a local hardware store and get about 3 to 4 feet of 1" rope. Measure it out to the distance you need it and tie a knot on each end.
I keep a "rope" here in my desk at work and when I get a little stressed I get it out and play while walking down the hall ways.
Company policy forbids nunchucks on company grounds. My "rope" is not.
[This message has been edited by Brett (edited October 31, 2002).]
If you still want to practice go to a local hardware store and get about 3 to 4 feet of 1" rope. Measure it out to the distance you need it and tie a knot on each end.
I keep a "rope" here in my desk at work and when I get a little stressed I get it out and play while walking down the hall ways.
Company policy forbids nunchucks on company grounds. My "rope" is not.
[This message has been edited by Brett (edited October 31, 2002).]
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In Massachusetts, the laws relating to certain martial arts weapons, which do include nunchuck, are codified and set forth in the statute.
The following are classified and the statute includes these as "dangerous weapons", per se:
(b) Whoever, except as provided by law, carries on his person, or carries on his person or under his control in a vehicle, any stiletto, dagger or a device or case which enables a knife with a locking blade to be drawn at a locked position, any ballistic knife, or any knife with a detachable blade capable of being propelled by any mechanism, dirk knife, any knife having a double-edged blade, or a switch knife, or any knife having an automatic spring release device by which the blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches, or a slung shot, blowgun, blackjack, metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles, nunchaku, zoobow, also known as klackers or kung fu sticks, or any similar weapon consisting of two sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather, a shuriken or any similar pointed starlike object intended to injure a person when thrown, or any armband, made with leather which has metallic spikes, points or studs or any similar device made from any other substance or a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends; or whoever, when arrested upon a warrant for an alleged crime, or when arrested while committing a breach or disturbance of the public peace, is armed with or has on his person, or has on his person or under his control in a vehicle, a billy or other dangerous weapon other than those herein mentioned and those mentioned in paragraph (a), shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than two and one-half years nor more than five years in the state prison, or for not less than six months nor more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction, except that, if the court finds that the defendant has not been previously convicted of a felony, he may be punished by a fine of not more than fifty dollars or by imprisonment for not more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction.
The above listings do not preclude any thing from not being aa dangerous weapon.
A Number 2 pencil can be a dangerous weapon.
The real test is how the object used is employed, and this will include the state of mind of the person utilizing the object or how carried on the person.
The employment of the object gets you into te realm of self-defense.
Was the object used necessary to prevent bodily harm under the circumstances.
It is a most difficult subject and slight changes of fact may mean the difference between self-defense and a felonious attack.
Mr. M. carries a large pocket knife on his person and is arrested on other charges, with his arrest and search being proper.
He is charged under Massachusetts above law for carrying a dirk knife.
The court ruled the knife was not a dirk by definition, but could still be a dangerous weapon. He had the knife in a folded position and thus was not ready to stab or be used offensively. If it were found in an open position in his pocket, he could have been found guilty.
See September 12, Martial Arts and the Law for complete Mass. Statute.
We could spend a good deal of time on these issues but you are subject to a different set of rules at least in Massachusetts.
If you have a rule book, your school (college or university) has a right to preclude articles which "it" deems to be dangerous.
In a Massachusetts case, a school principal, had the right to preclude a lipstick case knife, even though by statute, it would not be a dangerous weapon.
Alan K
The following are classified and the statute includes these as "dangerous weapons", per se:
(b) Whoever, except as provided by law, carries on his person, or carries on his person or under his control in a vehicle, any stiletto, dagger or a device or case which enables a knife with a locking blade to be drawn at a locked position, any ballistic knife, or any knife with a detachable blade capable of being propelled by any mechanism, dirk knife, any knife having a double-edged blade, or a switch knife, or any knife having an automatic spring release device by which the blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches, or a slung shot, blowgun, blackjack, metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles, nunchaku, zoobow, also known as klackers or kung fu sticks, or any similar weapon consisting of two sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather, a shuriken or any similar pointed starlike object intended to injure a person when thrown, or any armband, made with leather which has metallic spikes, points or studs or any similar device made from any other substance or a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends; or whoever, when arrested upon a warrant for an alleged crime, or when arrested while committing a breach or disturbance of the public peace, is armed with or has on his person, or has on his person or under his control in a vehicle, a billy or other dangerous weapon other than those herein mentioned and those mentioned in paragraph (a), shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than two and one-half years nor more than five years in the state prison, or for not less than six months nor more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction, except that, if the court finds that the defendant has not been previously convicted of a felony, he may be punished by a fine of not more than fifty dollars or by imprisonment for not more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction.
The above listings do not preclude any thing from not being aa dangerous weapon.
A Number 2 pencil can be a dangerous weapon.
The real test is how the object used is employed, and this will include the state of mind of the person utilizing the object or how carried on the person.
The employment of the object gets you into te realm of self-defense.
Was the object used necessary to prevent bodily harm under the circumstances.
It is a most difficult subject and slight changes of fact may mean the difference between self-defense and a felonious attack.
Mr. M. carries a large pocket knife on his person and is arrested on other charges, with his arrest and search being proper.
He is charged under Massachusetts above law for carrying a dirk knife.
The court ruled the knife was not a dirk by definition, but could still be a dangerous weapon. He had the knife in a folded position and thus was not ready to stab or be used offensively. If it were found in an open position in his pocket, he could have been found guilty.
See September 12, Martial Arts and the Law for complete Mass. Statute.
We could spend a good deal of time on these issues but you are subject to a different set of rules at least in Massachusetts.
If you have a rule book, your school (college or university) has a right to preclude articles which "it" deems to be dangerous.
In a Massachusetts case, a school principal, had the right to preclude a lipstick case knife, even though by statute, it would not be a dangerous weapon.
Alan K
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American Kobudo. Improvisational weapons. My FAVORITE hobbyhorse!
Some include -
a handful of pocket change - thrown to the face is a GREAT distraction weapon and tends to open up the opponent's centerline or cause a right or left dodge, disrupting an attack.
A pair of drumsticks - as noted in my original post - these can be just as deadly as Escrima sticks and far less likely to be questioned.
Claves. Smaller thick dowel rods, usually made of an extremely hard wood, knocked together in Latin music. Make GREAT yawara sticks. Think Kubotan, without the ring and keys, but thicker.
Broomhandle. Obvious - Jo-jitsu.
Ballpoint pens - stabbing weapon. Bic Pens used to do a TV demo where they fired one out of a .22 into a block of wood, then WROTE with the remains. Nuff said on THAT!
Belt. Anyone who has studied Hojo-Jitte-Jutsu (Hojo Style Rope Tieing, used by the Japanese Police in the Tokugawa Period, and to the present day). Can be devastating. Also relates to Manriki-kusari Jitsu, the short chain with weights on each end, used by Imperial Guards in Japan because shedding blood in the Imperial Compound was NOT allowed. Literally translates as Power of 1,000 Men or somesuch. VERY versatile.
Walking stick - see Broomstick.
Chair. The common chair can be used to really nasty effect. "Chair Jitsu! Pick up a chair - hit your opponent right in the Jitsu!"
Plastic water bottle - especially nasty if you put it in a sock or one of those nylon carrying sleeves. Think Chain Mace. Nasty.
"Anything is a weapon in the hands of one who understands." - Chium, Master of Sinanju
Just some ideas to drive the Dean crazy with.
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
Some include -
a handful of pocket change - thrown to the face is a GREAT distraction weapon and tends to open up the opponent's centerline or cause a right or left dodge, disrupting an attack.
A pair of drumsticks - as noted in my original post - these can be just as deadly as Escrima sticks and far less likely to be questioned.
Claves. Smaller thick dowel rods, usually made of an extremely hard wood, knocked together in Latin music. Make GREAT yawara sticks. Think Kubotan, without the ring and keys, but thicker.
Broomhandle. Obvious - Jo-jitsu.
Ballpoint pens - stabbing weapon. Bic Pens used to do a TV demo where they fired one out of a .22 into a block of wood, then WROTE with the remains. Nuff said on THAT!
Belt. Anyone who has studied Hojo-Jitte-Jutsu (Hojo Style Rope Tieing, used by the Japanese Police in the Tokugawa Period, and to the present day). Can be devastating. Also relates to Manriki-kusari Jitsu, the short chain with weights on each end, used by Imperial Guards in Japan because shedding blood in the Imperial Compound was NOT allowed. Literally translates as Power of 1,000 Men or somesuch. VERY versatile.
Walking stick - see Broomstick.
Chair. The common chair can be used to really nasty effect. "Chair Jitsu! Pick up a chair - hit your opponent right in the Jitsu!"
Plastic water bottle - especially nasty if you put it in a sock or one of those nylon carrying sleeves. Think Chain Mace. Nasty.
"Anything is a weapon in the hands of one who understands." - Chium, Master of Sinanju
Just some ideas to drive the Dean crazy with.
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
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has anybody gone so far as to create forms for any of them?
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Yes over a century ago forms were developed for jiffa (The hair pins Okinawan men use to wear)
The techniques in the kata work well with pens, pencils, pocket sticks kubatons etc.
This form may be seen on Sensei Shinyu Gushi's 4th tape Pangai Noon Karate Weapon Arts
It's available on this link
www.dragon-tsunami.org
Also Ted Lucaylucay's tape on the pocket stick have very good flow drills in them that work well in training these every day weapons.
Laird
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Yes over a century ago forms were developed for jiffa (The hair pins Okinawan men use to wear)
The techniques in the kata work well with pens, pencils, pocket sticks kubatons etc.
This form may be seen on Sensei Shinyu Gushi's 4th tape Pangai Noon Karate Weapon Arts
It's available on this link
www.dragon-tsunami.org
Also Ted Lucaylucay's tape on the pocket stick have very good flow drills in them that work well in training these every day weapons.
Laird
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Ted,
Draeger was an instructor of Judo at the Kodokan. He taught my Judo instructors father. His book is still the quintessential book on Judo Kata. However, I believe the nunchuku are probably a chinese weapon or earlier as the sai are also present in chinese and filipino arts. The bo dates back to the first caveman who got mad probably.
You can also spell it numbchucks which is what happens when you miss a swing.
f.
Draeger was an instructor of Judo at the Kodokan. He taught my Judo instructors father. His book is still the quintessential book on Judo Kata. However, I believe the nunchuku are probably a chinese weapon or earlier as the sai are also present in chinese and filipino arts. The bo dates back to the first caveman who got mad probably.
You can also spell it numbchucks which is what happens when you miss a swing.
f.
Foam Nunchuck, Deadly Weapon
Hey guys,
Great ideas for everyday commonplace tools.
Check out any Jackie Chan movie and see the ultimate use of props for attack/defense. Great stuff!
I had a professor in college that always walked to and from class with his so called 'walking stick'. It was actually a jo, smaller version of the bo, that he used for a martial arts class he was taking. He started carrying it after an almost attack by wandering dogs.
In reference to Alan K's following post:
"or any armband, made with leather which has metallic spikes, points or studs or any similar device made from any other substance or a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having"...
That means all of these wild dressed kids with their spike collars and arm bands are obvious commiting felonies or atleast misdemeanors in their everyday dress...hmmm?
Interesting stuff...by the way, Brian, which school did this happen at. I wonder if the same rules are applied at most universities here in Richmond.
Vicki
Great ideas for everyday commonplace tools.
Check out any Jackie Chan movie and see the ultimate use of props for attack/defense. Great stuff!
I had a professor in college that always walked to and from class with his so called 'walking stick'. It was actually a jo, smaller version of the bo, that he used for a martial arts class he was taking. He started carrying it after an almost attack by wandering dogs.
In reference to Alan K's following post:
"or any armband, made with leather which has metallic spikes, points or studs or any similar device made from any other substance or a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having"...
That means all of these wild dressed kids with their spike collars and arm bands are obvious commiting felonies or atleast misdemeanors in their everyday dress...hmmm?
Interesting stuff...by the way, Brian, which school did this happen at. I wonder if the same rules are applied at most universities here in Richmond.
Vicki
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And no, I'm saying Fred's kids should be locked up
Gene
If they're here in MA, then they're breaking the law. Just like Fred's kids, when they carry their 'chucks.That means all of these wild dressed kids with their spike collars and arm bands are obvious commiting felonies or atleast misdemeanors in their everyday dress...hmmm?
And no, I'm saying Fred's kids should be locked up
Gene
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Now that we have a good deal of weapons for American Kobudo, has anybody gone so far as to create forms for any of them? Its bound to happen some day, if things go as they have in the past.
As to state laws, I am in Pennsylvania. Seeing I walked in and was able to just pick up these nunchucks in a martial arts store here and the guy said it was legal, I'm just assuming it is legit. I've tried searching for them in the state laws but haven't had much luck. If I'm wrong, any of you from PA can feel free to correct me.
--Brian
As to state laws, I am in Pennsylvania. Seeing I walked in and was able to just pick up these nunchucks in a martial arts store here and the guy said it was legal, I'm just assuming it is legit. I've tried searching for them in the state laws but haven't had much luck. If I'm wrong, any of you from PA can feel free to correct me.
--Brian
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Vinnie and I were watching batting practice at the Brandeis cage the other night.
If there is a "tough" Uechi superman in the crowd and wants to demonstrate disarming one of those kids with Seisan bunkai, please step forward, I will arrange for you.
Like in your dreams.
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Van Canna
That's easy. Get a voice activated model.Not sure though what Van would say about the use of such under stress and fine motor coordination
Vinnie and I were watching batting practice at the Brandeis cage the other night.
If there is a "tough" Uechi superman in the crowd and wants to demonstrate disarming one of those kids with Seisan bunkai, please step forward, I will arrange for you.
Like in your dreams.
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Van Canna
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Van Canna:
Vinnie and I were watching batting practice at the Brandeis cage the other night.
If there is a "tough" Uechi superman in the crowd and wants to demonstrate disarming one of those kids with Seisan bunkai, please step forward, I will arrange for you.
Like in your dreams.
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Can we use our handy "official pocket-sized bat disarming tool"?
Vinnie and I were watching batting practice at the Brandeis cage the other night.
If there is a "tough" Uechi superman in the crowd and wants to demonstrate disarming one of those kids with Seisan bunkai, please step forward, I will arrange for you.
Like in your dreams.
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Can we use our handy "official pocket-sized bat disarming tool"?
