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Okay this thread has produced a lot of good comments.

I am however, a stickler for some things, so ….

First of all my apologies to Mr. Parker because what I am about to do is armchair fight from the safety of my keyboard.

It took me a while trying to find the fight.

You see I remembered it very differently.

I remembered a Karate guy who said he was a pressure point expert and very hard to hurt.

I remembered him doing pretty much nothing but getting taken down and choked out. I was very disappointed.

So, I tracked down the tape and just watched it again.

Remco closed and clinched.

Yes Mr. Parker flailed his right arm with vertical tiger paw strikes to the back of Remco’s neck, but most bounced off the base of his skull.

I did not see a well compressed strike. I saw the futile flailing of an arm that had no power at all.

Vertical, by the way, was an incorrect angle and it had no effect. The strike should have been horizontal.

Then Remco took him down and for about two minutes Mr. Parker hung onto Remco’s gi until he was choked out.

There was no attempt to strike pressure points while on the ground.

There was no attempt to grip, rip and tear pressure points while he was on the ground.

There was no attempt to do pretty much anything.

So I did not see this as a representation of a person applying his pressure point striking or any of his Karate while under pressure.

Two things to close:

1) I do believe in hitting pressure points but I take a different approach to “targeting.” I also appreciated the information Evan provided.

2) I was not in the ring and my hat is off to Mr. Parker for stepping in there. Remco is a very talent Martial Artist to have faced. Yapping from the sidelines about what should have been done is very easy and safe.
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Maloney, has never had any use for them, and when developing his feared PKA fighters, the first thing he did was to dump the kumites.
He substituted a professional trainer,and professional boxers as sparring partners. Both taught more of what was needed.
A fellow named Clayton Hickey seemed unable to feel pain and I was amazed at the pain he would inflict and they all still seemed to like him.
Hey Leo, Clay's a tough guy. When I started out he and Dave were teaching most of the white belt classes. Jim Maloney had a fight card at the old forum and an out of town fighter backed out at the last minute....injured. With out training for the ring Clay took the fight with 2 days notice, just to see what it was like. Takes a lot of courage to do that, he didn't even asked who he was fighting 8)
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Van & Our mutual Proustian Moments

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Your recounting the moldy micro CEPHALIC (sic) dieter caused me to pound my chair in fits of laughter. I cannot express my admiration for you and the other posters who have the apercu [is this an new apertif?? :) ] to understand What the Electra complex is, the group of people it applied to, and HOW it was appropriate.

It was to GEM's credit, tolerance, and kindness that he taught such a motly crew (and we had not rhythm either!).

One interesting story. There was a classmate who participated in the 1960's substance abuse ritual, which once caused him to slide out his motorcycle BUT he came and took class. GEM was supportive and kind. Later, when he his life cleaned up, in great part to Uechi and support, he lectured kids about dangers of drugs not just from a preachy perspective but from having survived the horrors of mental and physical depridations :"I was so paranoid on @@@@ that I saw FBI agents climbing through my windows to get me. And I lived on the 3 floor, [grinning]" He deserved credit for turning his life around and again GEM deserves recognition for his unhearalded humanity.

Heh, he even let an incompetent, slow witted '98 lb. weakling' join so that he could learn an art form for a lifetime.(Much faster and better at shooting, though :) ...) It only has taken 43 years to finally perform properly the basic opening movements with the 'elan' that your students learn from you and the other Sensei in 3 weeks.

If there were to be a method for your students to place transponders on our and their heads to 'experience in a YOU ARE THERE living it' way what we went through, and the quality of teaching from all the Uechi Sensei today, they would hoist you on their shoulders and carry you around the Dojo.

This morning in NYT (the the News that Fits We Print) p. c16 article on an up and coming fighter Joe Mesi, a Rocky Marciano manque. I read about and looked at this tough Italian kid and wondered how many Secret Applied Pressure Point Students (SAPPS) would or could go up against him. Humbleness and realizing one's real limitations are probably the most important lessions that are learned in Uechi.
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Topos,

What great memory you have.
One interesting story. There was a classmate who participated in the 1960's substance abuse ritual, which once caused him to slide out his motorcycle BUT he came and took class. GEM was supportive and kind. Later, when he his life cleaned up, in great part to Uechi and support, he lectured kids about dangers of drugs not just from a preachy perspective but from having survived the horrors of mental and physical depredations
I have a follow up to that story.

After he moved to California [GEM threw him out of the Newton Dojo for getting back into the coke habit]
Years later, he called me. [Tex] remember his nickname?

Gave me this con spiel about me always having been a “tough guy” to butter me up.

Then he asks me to take one of my 12 gauge shotguns and “ride shotgun” in the back seat of his car, with the gun barrel showing, so he could intimidate a drug dealer who had failed to come through a coke deal Tex had come all the way from California to negotiate on behalf of his boss.

He sprung this conversation on me in “finally Michael’s” restaurant on route 9.
Told him to pick up the check and leave before wearing my plate of food all over him. He left.

He eventually found religion, drove into the desert to “meditate” his jeep broke down and he died miles away from any hope of rescue.
If there were to be a method for your students to place transponders on our and their heads to 'experience in a YOU ARE THERE living it' way what we went through, and the quality of teaching from all the Uechi Sensei today, they would hoist you on their shoulders and carry you around the Dojo.
You are too kind.
Humbleness and realizing one's real limitations are probably the most important lessons that are learned in Uechi.
Right on. And the reason why all the hype about Uechi trained people being the toughest of martial artists, rubs the wrong way.

I admire your erudition.

Very best.

Laird,

Clay is one of those rare individuals who underwent “rare” training under a rare sensei, Jim Maloney.

Recall the time he laid out four bikers who threatened his wife in the restaurant they owned?

He was in the kitchen when he heard his wife scream. Came out, and kicked those punks so hard, they dropped like stones in a pond.

The most conditioned man I ever met. Could kick the wall full power 100 times with no ill effect. :evil:

Maloney has trained the toughest and the most well-behaved and friendly [real friends] people I have ever met. But just don’t get “cute” with any of them or they would send you to a rendezvous with a pine box.

If there is a true 10th Dan, that would be Jimmy. :D
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The most conditioned man I ever met. Could kick the wall full power 100 times with no ill effect.
He had great power as well, I have seen him create a great deal construction debris. When I think of Clay I can't help but remember the time Jimmy sent a group of us to a Zellers Department store to do demo to promote Uechi. There was about six of us doing kata, bunkai, conditioning and breaking…..in ladies lingerie :roll: . When we were done there was wood splinters and cinders every where. We felt good about the demo and had a good laugh about all the bras covered in wood splinters. :mrgreen:

You have to remember Van this was back in the burn the bra era. We young lads supported that movement. Not because we were anti war, we just admired women who were secure enough to escape the social norms of the time. :wink: We wondered if the splinters left behind would convince a few more women to abandon the bra. We felt like we had helped the cause that day! :lol:




Maloney has trained the toughest and the most well-behaved and friendly [real friends] people I have ever met. But just don’t get “cute” with any of them or they would send you to a rendezvous with a pine box.
They were/and are fine folks and very tough. It's taken me a few decades to figure out I'm not the wimp I thought I was. I was just measuring myself against a very high standard one near the top of the heap. (no offence to anyone)When you are training around world class fighters you see your limitations. A reality check I still value and has guided me since.
If there is a true 10th Dan, that would be Jimmy.
He is a special person, and you know that when you meet him. He has given much to Uechi. I hope some day soon he is asked to test for Hachidan in recognition for all he's given us. Jimmy has done much to spread Uechi across Canada, his students do us proud. I'm not dissing who ever gets to decided who tests. I don't know how the process works I'm just saying it would please me and probably all of the Uechika in Canada to see Sensei Maloney so recognized one day. The man is much cherished by his students

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Laird,

Jimmy tested and was promoted to Hachidan couple of years back when Kanmei Uechi was visiting Buzz Durkin. Sensei Thompson was on our board as well.

As you say, Jim is much cherished by his students, that is how you tell the difference between a real sensei and a BS artist.
There was about six of us doing kata, bunkai, conditioning and breaking…..in ladies lingerie
Ha.. Jimmy wouldn’t pass that up. Burn the bra…LOL..Although the wearing of lace bra made in Italy is something to see and experience.
He had great power as well, I have seen him create a great deal construction debris.
True, if I ever met someone “unstoppable” that was Clay.

Jimmy’s boys were all about business and no BS.
They were/and are fine folks and very tough.
They proved this all over Canada and the States. And every time I went to Canada as a guest of Jimmy or as a guest teacher, I received the friendliest treatment of any group. It was like finding lost brothers.

Best years of my life.

Take care.
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Jimmy is 8th dan!

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Was promoted years ago by Kanmei Uechi.

(must have hit the "submit" buttom seconds after Van) :)
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There was about six of us doing kata, bunkai, conditioning and breaking…..in ladies lingerie
What? No kumites? :lol: :wink:
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Re: Jimmy is 8th dan!

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gmattson wrote:Was promoted years ago by Kanmei Uechi.

(must have hit the "submit" buttom seconds after Van) :)
Ha..ha..George, must have been a preventive strike... :wink:
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There was about six of us doing kata, bunkai, conditioning and breaking…..in ladies lingerie 8O 8O 8O


** Ok Laird , whatever strange initiation rituals you canadians are into I guess , but as for me I think I`ll stick to a gi :lol:

Sounds like fun days
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North Country Slips????

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"There was about six of us doing kata, bunkai, conditioning and breaking…..in ladies lingerie "

Boy, that must have been a STRETCH. As Robin might have said at the Saturday college football game "HOLY CROSSdressing, Batman!!" :):):)

Jack Benny the 1930's 1940's comedian would have said: "WHELLLLHH!!! "

As one of the emanuensis of Mattson Uechi history, you remind me of the time when GEM made the following comment when one of the members of our first class flapped his Sancin thrust

"You might get the Pink Gi award".

Soon after that he attended a Ballet and came back with a deeper appreciation of the rigors of the male dancers. "Guess my attitude and respect for dancers has changed" he said.



As a recognized Sensei you do have BRAgging rights, but I believe that the idea is practice Chemin de Fer not Chemise de Fair :) :) :)
Best wishes to our Northern cousins.
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Van, George, thanks for the correction. I guess the black belt registry on site is out of date.

Stryke, you kill me :lol: And yes they were good days back in Halifax. I miss Nova Scotians they are good folk!

Van,one more story Clayton's name brings back,the opening demo at his Sackville Dojo. Everyone showed up! Even Billy Marshal and the bed of spikes. Jimmy was explaining to the crowd how Billy was going to lay on the spikes while cinder blocks was broken on top of his stomach.

There were two kids about 14 or so behind Maloney Sensei and one was going on about how it had to be fake and those spikes couldn't be sharp. He were saying it loud enough for everyone to hear.

Jimmy didn't miss a beat. He turned and took the kid by the wrist, he raised his hand in the air and said, this fine young gentleman doesn't believe that those are real nails that Sensei Marshal is going to lay on.

Some other folks may have their doubts as well, so I think we should let this fine young man check it out and tell us if those nails are sharp or not.

He took the kids hand and placed it on the nails. That kid started jumping around yelling and screaming that it's real it's real. The whole time Jimmy had his hand held to the bed of nails. Jimmy thanked the young man for helping out and showing all these fine people that the nails are real this is no trick, and then allowed him to return to the crowd. Jimmy asked if anyone else would like to see how sharp these spikes are that Billy is about to lay on. Funny no takers :lol:

Billy's bed of nails break was always a hit, but that night I don't think I saw it better recieved. That kid made the demo.

Everytime I think of the Sackville dojo I remember that kid the look on his face, and what a smooth showman Jimmy Maloney is. I can't think of Clayton without seeing that kid dancing around with one hand on the spikes. It gives me perma grin! :mrgreen:

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