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[Panther]
"... [President Bush] has proven that he was the right person to bring honor, dignity, pride, and character back to the Whitehouse. ..."


Add in "leadership", and I couldn't agree more. It seems pretty obvious that our servicemen and women feel the same way, and are very proud of their Commander-In-Chief.

God Bless You, Mr. President!
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Sex Politics Religion

I have three favorite rules in the workplace, rules which never are violated. The poster I hang for those rules is one for conversation and is comprised of a red circle with a red diagonal line through it containing three words inside the circle: Sex, Politics, Religion.

However, once in awhile a release is necessary.

One of the many reasons I favor the current administration over the previous president-couple is one of moral values. I would never follow nor want my kids to follow examples set forth by the previous administration, from both Mr. And Mrs. Presidents, both of whom I see as speaking AND acting only for the moment that passes before them.

I see the current administration as having high moral standards and Mr. Bush does what he says, even though it may take a little longer to get it all out, and stands behind what he does without redefining his actions. This current administration is a refreshing change.

I think what he did for the troops is the greatest, and was done not as a facade, but for the exact purpose of building not only their morale, but morale of the people at home who are growing tired of our continued involvement and for the families of our servicemen on active duty away from home. Mr, Bush showed just how important he feels our servicemen are.
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No doubt that Clinton's moral example of an affair in the whitehouse is not one to be emulated. Not disagreeing there... some points about Bush:

--Major accomplishment was being born to the right family; average student promoted because of family-based affirmative action (he opposes it for the less fortunate however).
--Previous drinker and substance abuser who supported and imposed tough penalties on substance abusers in Texas.
--Big death penalty supporter despite the variety of problems inherent to the system including cost, inadeqate representative, mistaken conviction, and biases against minorities
--Has gutted environmental protections as per previous post
--Environmental gutting done primarily for the benefit of big business as per previous post
--Took us to war on sketchy data and dodged a lot of questions beforehand and swapped up the reasons afterwards and didn't a couple big business friends benefit along the way?
--Duplicitous legislation titles like "Patriot Act," with unAmerican actions like keeping people detained without hearings by renaming them combatants, etc, oddly all in the name of America
--Bait and switch legislation, like doing something publicly and then quietly getting away with the opposite a little later... or tucking a 100k tax deduction for SUVs in the energy bill for no reason... or "creating" something that doesn't exist, like getting credit for increasing AIDS funding to Africa, although all of it came from decreasing other funding for Africa's health needs
--Now has indicated he supports amending the world's oldest consitution to reduce citizens rights...

Just as the Republican party has published guidelines on speaking with loaded terms to negatively characterize opposition without really saying anything, Dubya is more on the appearance (including tax payer funded photo ops in the Gulf) of integrity than on the integrity itself. IMHO.
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Post by benzocaine »

I've noticed a couple references about G. Dubya using tax payer money for a great photo op. Well, so what? It boosted the moralle of our troops. Here they are constantly living in fear of death. Anyone... ANYONE.. they come into contact over there is a potential assassin. Imagine what that is like.

Bush had the Balls to do what he felt was the right thing to do. He felt invading Iraq was the proper thing to do. Now he felt visiting the troops was right as well.

Now talk economy and I start longing for someone with a little more business savy. Bush is NOT a conservative. But that is another story.

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If Hillary was elected, would Bill be the First Lady?
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Pres. Bush II gives the appearance of having high moral standards. He's a street angel, but a house devil.

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Sent a PM about if Bill would be the first Lady.
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My words were merely a figure of speech that the significant other of the president is called the First Lady. What should the significant other be called if a future preident would be female? Nothing else whatsoever was implied.
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Actually, I don't recall what it would be...

But it was discussed when Margaret Thacher was PM and Ferraro
was running for President. It may have been something like
"the First Gentleman"...
kyushoguy

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Post by kyushoguy »

Yes never mind all the innocent Iraqies he killed
or the lies he told to get us into war , no WOMD found yet dur, i told you so.
Or the UK and US kads that got killed for Oil
at least he knows how to con people with PR
stunts???


I'm scared you guys got the bomb


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Re: ???

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kyushoguy wrote:Yes never mind all the innocent Iraqies he killed
India?
or the lies he told to get us into war,
Inaccurate intel? Perhaps. Lies? Hmmmm...
no WOMD found yet dur, i told you so.
You haven't read any of the actual reports have you? Anyone that claims no evidence of WMD are only repeating the erroneous reporting of the News Media. The actual reports discuss, in detail, the programs, sites, and items found.
Or the UK and US kads that got killed for Oil
I don't appreciate you calling service men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice in service to their countries, "kads". You can disagree, but don't be disrespectful, it won't be tolerated on this forum.
at least he knows how to con people with PR stunts???
And the visit from Hillary was?
I'm scared you guys got the bomb
Better us than Iraq.
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Post by Gene DeMambro »

Scared we have the bomb?

Makes me proud. Why?

Throughout the course of human history,m very few nations have had both military power and discipline to keep, maintain and judiciously use a nuclear arsenal. One can count the number of countries on one hand. The fact that The Bomb was used vs. a sungle country, during a declared war AND HASN"T BEEN USED SINCE is surely to our credit.

Although some nations that have The Bomb scare the daylights out of me.

And don't look know, but our friends across The Pond have a bomb or t3wo in their arsenals...

Have a nice day

Gene
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Post by Kevin Mackie »

Excellent post Gene. Glad we finally agree on something.

Panther the "k" is right next to the "l" on the keyboards. I would suggest that kads = lads.
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Post by IJ »

Several times: someone says they don't like Bush's propagandizing stunts, and they get the reply that Hillary did it to. So? This thread is about Bush and the fact that he isn't the only one with faults doesn't make me look more fondly on him. I'll just remember the phony who held hundreds of meetings with industry, none with environmental groups, and then pushed legsilation with fancy titles like "clear skies." That's the level of interllectual honesty we're dealing with--one example.
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Post by kyushoguy »

Hi

the innocent iraqis i mentioned were the civillians unless you think they did something to india thats the new reason for the war is india.

Hans blix says theres noWOMD not me.


I meant 'lads' obviously, Im the one argueing they shouldnt have been killed i pity them.

False intelligence not lies, yeah right.

I think Japan may be able to tell of a time you dropped a nuclear wapon.

Iraq had never attacked the states.

and the guy you wnet for saddam according to your own countryman is winning the war.


Give peace a chance


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