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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:03 pm
by cxt
Dana

Excellent advice--for pretty much anything--"think it through."

Pretty clear that we didn't and now we are paying the price.

No arguement there.

Only thing I do want to point out is that the folks in Bosina and Kosavo:

-Are in large part Muslium

-They don't have any oil either ie. ie they were not "sitting on top of oil reservers."

So when we stepped in to stop the genocide there, we didn't do it because they were "fellow christians" or because they had oil.

We did it to stop a genocide.

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 1:13 pm
by Panther
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:28 pm
by IJ
Powerful cartoon... but it's message is that we're better than the terrorists. I think we should set indepedent standards of excellence in all things (including treatment of prisoners) rather than relative ones--especially considering that its not tough to out-behave an al qaeda operative.

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:50 pm
by Panther
IJ wrote:Powerful cartoon... but it's message is that we're better than the terrorists. I think we should set indepedent standards of excellence in all things (including treatment of prisoners) rather than relative ones--especially considering that its not tough to out-behave an al qaeda operative.
That sounds nice. However... Things are relative and we are better than the terrorists! In fact, I'm more than a little shocked that would be questioned in the least!

Think about it...

The last seven times the U.S. has taken up arms it has been in defense of Muslims... in Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War I, Kuwait, etc...

We do our damnedest to keep civilian causalties to a bare minimum... Contrast that with intentionally flying airliners filled with innocent passengers into skyscrapers filled with even more innocent civilians!

When we hear of the loss of life in these conflicts, we, as a nation, are saddened by it...
Contrast that with our enemies dancing in the streets after 9/11!

We, as a nation, have stepped in and become the biggest financial supporters of the poverty stricken arabs around the world...
Contrast that with the fact that the insanely wealthy Arabs get upset and blame the U.S. for the poverty!

We push for and get a "food for oil" program to help those poverty stricken arabs...
Contrast that with the U.N. scamming the poverty stricken Iraqis out of that money so they could get rich and leave the Iraqis suffering!

I have never heard any decent American claim:

that babies are a legitimate target, (the terrorists have not only advocated this, but they've carried it out)

that suicide/homocide bombers are good, (ibid)

that they will pay the families of suicide/homocide bombers after the human bomb dies, (ibid)

they were the ones that had the gang rape rooms (even used against young girls) and mass graves, (we were the ones that stopped that)

they are completely controlled and closed off and we are an open society, which is probably part of the reason we're hated so much. We air out our dirty laundry for the whole world to see and allow differences of opinion to abound.

Our military doesn't conveniently find some "Holy Place" to hide whenever things get tough. It seems that everytime we start closing in on one of these terrorists, they're hold up in some "holy place" which we, as a civilized nation, refuse to obliterate. However, the terrorists have no qualms about their desire (or attempts) to destroy others "holy places". (When the WTC collapsed, it severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church... a Christian "holy place".)

More arabs have been killed by Muslim extremests of one ilk or another than by any other group. And we have our troops dying to free arabs.

In those countries, the governments squander away the money and breed hate for the U.S. in their schools...
OK... got me there... same thing is going on here. :cry:

Those things do make us better.

And people get upset because we humilated some prisoners!?! Before those prisoners were captured we were trying to kill them. People get upset at such treatment and to a certain degree, I agree that it isn't the way we, as a nation, believe we should act. However, where's the outrage, the disgust, the "documentary" telling about the abuses to our side (US or coalition forces as well as civilian contractors) who have been drug through the streets, stripped naked, tortured, beheaded, hung from bridges and stoned by these monsters?!?! WHERE? NOT from the likes of the Hollywierd and media types such as Michael Moore! (Truly disgusting... and in Moore's brand of "democracy", he gets extra votes... He's been shown to be registered to vote in multiple States {NY & Michigan}... and with his money, he just votes in one and flys to the other to vote again!)

Want the truth about Moore, his tactics, and his ilk... read the blog of a 20+ year resident of Baghdad named Sarmad and find out!

http://www.roadofanation.com/blog/archi ... 0965633448

And another thing...

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 3:02 pm
by Panther
I haven't voted in the poll for this thread because the answer, IMNSHO, isn't there.

The question is: How many more Al Queda terrorists must die?

My answer is specific to the question. It does not include arabs, muslims, Iraqis, Afghanis, or anyone other than terrorists... it doesn't include innocent people and while sh!t happens, it doesn't advocate "collateral damage"... the answer refers specifically to terrorists who have, advocate, finance, plan or carry out attacks on my home (ie: America)... and the answer is simple...

ALL of them... ALL OF THEM!