French bravery - the classic oxymoron

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:24 am

Yes Bill the French have had some civil issues. But why cast the first stone? Your nation has a very long history of similar events

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http://www.montgomerycollege.org/Depart ... Oliva.html
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 538169.stm
http://opmanong.ssc.hawaii.edu/filipino/riots.html
http://chnm.gmu.edu/courses/122/carr/riottext.html
http://www.etymonline.com/cw/york.htm
http://www.spectacle.org/595/kent.html
http://www.aaregistry.com/african_ameri ... University
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http://www.infoplease.com/spot/civilrig ... line1.html
http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/vvm/warinfo.html

Why are the French cowards they have 250 troops on the ground, If I’m not mistaken you Yanks don’t have any do you? So guess your bigger cowards huh? (Based on your logic Bill.)

I personally believe that the French, British and the Americans should stay out of this because they are not viewed as non biased by the parties in conflict.. The French have the wisdom to not stick their finger in the hot pot and cause it to boil over. Would be good to see some nations with no vested interests or close ties in the region provide the troops for the buffer zone. Good on the Italians for wanting to take a leadership role on this misson. The afore mentioned nations have had their finger in the pie going back a long time. Not the folks for the job as they will be seen as favoring one side.

Willy

There's no need for the French to go toe-to-toe with me. All they need to do is back up their own words on the world stage.

I could careless if the French want to kick your ass or not.

However you have chosen to post several derogatory statements dissing the French and included Canadian French as well. You find it funny. I’m disgusted by it. I’m also disgusted by your attitude when I call you on it. Every week Canadian soldiers come home from Afganistan in a box. Many of them are Quebecouis. And you call them cowards.

I can just imagine the outrage if I called American troops cowards.

Yes Bill you only posted quoted the word of others. And all twenty one of them were negative towards the French.

How long would I be on this site if I posted 20 plus derogatory comments made by others about Nigers, Jews, Homo’s, or Americans?

Hey if you don’t like the politics of the French we probably can agree.

But our soldiers and my students are far from cowards.

And yeah I’m coming to camp next year, if George will allow me.. Look forward too it. Lots of folks I want to meet.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:40 am

Your list of civil issues is a red herring. I'm talking about RECENT MUSLIM UNREST in France. All hell broke loose there last fall. There was nothing like it anywhere else in Europe or the US. The French cannot claim the high ground in the specific issue which is the topic of this thread.

Laird wrote:
How long would I be on this site if I posted 20 plus derogatory comments made by others about Nigers, Jews, Homo’s, or Americans?

It's an art for sure, Laird. It's apparent from listening to your comments as well as the furor when Conan O'Brian visited Canada that Canadians don't listen to late night American comedy shows.

To start with, no blatantly racist comments were made - unlike what you just did above. (Or with posted pictures of manhole covers.)

Second, we Americans take our abuse around the world - including and most especially from within. The French have had at us repeatedly in the last decade. They were also caught red-handed taking blood money from Saddam (oil credits, bribes), all while criticizing the US for wanting to step into Iraq. This blood money was being passed while US and British aircraft were being fired upon enforcing the UN-mandated no-fly zones over northern and southern Iraq. And of course let's not forget L'Effroyable imposture. Apparently we faked the attack on the Pentagon (never mind what happened to American Airlines Flight 77). How dare we blame Muslim extremists!

If they can dish out the criticism, they'll have to take it. They EARNED that privledge.

We're talking about actions (and in many cases INaction) of France.

Someone even mentioned the bravery of Napoleon - a transplanted Italian. They should take a trip to the Kremlin. As I observed in 1993, there are rows and rows of canons and other military hardware abandoned by Napoleon after his attempted invasion of Moscow.

It's an interesting piece of history that you should study some time.

Finally, we're talking about France (not Italy, not Germany, not China, not nobody else) proposing a peace force - in the UN. And then they back out of contributing soldiers to it. Sorry, Laird, but they left themselves open to the abuse. They are not hapless bystanders here. They volunteered to lead a force they wouldn't contribute soldiers to. How funny is that? (Engineers aren't soldiers. If they are, I want combat pay!

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Unfortunately what's going on here is a very serious matter.

No regrets here, and no reason to apologize.

Maybe Ted Nugent shouldn't be poking fun at French Canadians, but my Canadian friends do. As you correctly pointed out, French Canadian politics is theatre ripe for humor.

You SHOULD be proud of Canadians who fight and die for freedom around the world.

Looking forward to seeing you at camp.

- Bill

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:00 am

Bill we prefer Canadian programing

I look forward to meeting you ask well.

Point of clarrification, I believe it was the dago dude that posted run for cover and not I. But hey whats racist about manhole covers?

Whats racist about your nations history. How can I ge a rcist posting your nations history. Still buttering both sides of the bread Bill. Maybe it confuses you but everyone else sees the straw man.

Red Herring , no man I'm actually a Herring Choker. (it's a cultural thing, probably beyond you)

Hey those French weapons are prettier than the yours Bill.

I'm just hacking on you man for being an arrogant yank.

got to run one of my French students wants to post.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:19 am

I'm just keeping the conversation focused on recent history. The unrest in France was specific to the argument. It was RECENT Muslim unrest in a nation well-known for criticizing the way we deal with Muslims and the Mid-East. It is relevant. What's happened decades ago gets to be a bit much.

You from New Brunswick, Laird? (Didn't think I'd catch that, did you? '))

You are right; that's a mighty pretty canon.

And now it's a mighty pretty RUSSIAN canon.

No worries, Laird. A little give-and-take is what it's all about.

- Bill

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:39 am

Yeah man give and take and find solutions!

But Ryans post is gone? French guys don't get a say??? WTF?

Talk to the dude don't nuke him Bill, you will meet this lad one day.He probably will be at camp with me in the near future. Best to work at making friends and not the opposite non?

The guys pissed at you he's not a cyber space warrior he's a real decent chap. He's not a troll, he's a french man who feels insulted by your banter. Best to do the right thing instead of hiding behind the M button.But hell man it's your bed make it however you wish.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:45 am

Ryan's post was a little over the top, Laird. That's not good style for a first time poster. I had several amusing come-backs, but thought the better thing to do was ratchet down the tone.

I'm sure he can re-post with slightly different approach.

- Bill

Ryan Labbe-Clark · Post by **Ryan Labbe-Clark** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:02 am

Willy posted has ryan .Deleted

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:05 am

Ryan has been a member in good standing on these pages for approx 1.5 years Bill. He's also one of Darren Laur's guys as well. He's also one of the top tournament guys in alberta. he is not some Johny come lately. He is a fine individual who believes if you have nothing possitive to add , keep your mouth shut.

Thats why he doesn't have a large post voilume like many of us.

He is also a French Canadian who took 2 hours trying to compose a response to your insults as politicaly correct as he could. it's not his native tounge. he delted his posts many time so as not to threaten. But it was your words he responded to , It is his french people coming back from Afganistan in boxes. And you call them cowards.

I think he has pretty god damned civil to you Bill.

Sorry we didn't save his post in word so we could take it apart piece by piece. Tone it down...why don't you tone down your racial cultural attack? Your the one who is out of line sir. Why not man up and appolgize instead of hidding behind the delete button.. you crossed the line admit it. Everyone sees what you wrote.

If what you write is okay for the forums the forums will become very nasty quickly. Is this the kind of page you want Bill?

Hey I don't want to get into a flame war with you Bill. God Knows the too of us have wasted enough of our time doing that. But if you think you can insult people and just nuke their response, your not a man worthy of anyones time in my opinion. I know your far better than this.

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:15 am

"Only thing worse than a Frenchman is a Frenchman who lives in Canada."
--Ted Nugent

This is not something insulting to post Bill? A few French and a Few Canucks might see it as something worth dealing with.

Lets change it:

“Only thing worse than an African is an African who lives in America

--Author

Substitute the race of your choice Bill. You didn’t create it but you posted it I see little difference. You should be ashamed of your post.

If all Americans showered us with this ##### we would not ally with you in anything. Thank God they are not all Bill Glasheen.

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:16 am

Cowardice is not admitting your mistakes .

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:24 am

Hey Kiwi you say in a line what I can't touch in pages of dialogue.Kev says high and is fighting King of the Cage in Nov. I'll send you the film

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:28 am

Hey say Hi to Kev and send my best , also that crazy frenchman !!!

heck my best to all the guys and whanau !!!

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:29 am

Whauna says back atcha man!

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:07 am

Bill, your nit picking at a few things that are not pretty for the french.

Thier history is filled with good things, good contributions, and they have an impressive history. For the first time in history, FRANCE was the first country to have peasants actually take up arms and change the face of thier own politics(i am NOT talking about the french revolution, go farther back, with that dude who dealt with charles the bad, and yes that was his name)

Along with the Flemish, the french changed the face of economics in the middle ages.

Hell even thier modern history, though i cant name anything im sure i can dig some stuff up. Hell look at voltaire.

My mom visited paris, she didnt like it.

But it was the HYPE about about paris she didnt like.

Not the people.

Not the 'race'.

The hype about the city. Thats it.

She liked the people.

Your list of civil issues is a red herring. I'm talking about RECENT MUSLIM UNREST in France.

That was actually an immigrant problem, alot of people who are not muslim are pretty pissed.

And no, it seems muslims are not pissed at the french, french government policy are different from 'the french'
Then again i dont live in france.

"Only thing worse than a Frenchman is a Frenchman who lives in Canada."
--Ted Nugent

And some of the nicest people ive ever met were....

*drum roll*

French canadians.

And Conan's little fiasco with french canadians is a result of very very sensitive issues.

Look at the danish cartoons. Before 9/11 lots and lots of people made insulting pictures of mohammed.

But only after the attacks was it a really hot issue.

Seperatism, french canadian pride is a big issue, a SENSITIVE issue.

Can you blame them for thier anger?

Besides, when the french/french canadians hear your type of talk, the 'french attitude' people complain about gets worse.

Bill....how would you like it if i took shots at the irish?

I wont because it's useless to do so and in bad taste.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:28 am

Yes, I deleted a few more posts. I will continue to do so when things get out of hand.

I initially deleted Ryan's post because I don't know Ryan, and he came off a bit over the top. I don't know Ryan from Adam's off ox. I had several clever come-backs for Ryan's post, but chose not to.

Ryan's first comment worthy of dialogue was how the Hezbollah/Israeli conflict started. I had a come-back, but chose to stop it there.

The second was how I wouldn't know anything about these conflicts except as someone who posts. I chose not to explain why Ryan was mistaken.

The third was why the French were smart to choose not to engage for fear of reprisal (suicide bombings, etc.). Again, that was too easy. Comment begats comment. Given the tenor, it was best to stop it at the pass.

I already posted how the Ted Nugent comment was out of place. You win. I lose.

As to whether the French do good things or not, well that wasn't the topic of the thread. It had to do about actions in war and conflicts. The French have many contributions to art, science, economics, and even our own revolution against Great Britain (3 centuries ago). Your points are well taken, Adam.

Adam wrote:
And no, it seems muslims are not pissed at the french, french government policy are different from 'the french'
Then again i dont live in france.

The Muslim riots last fall in Paris and elsewhere in France were a very telling period in time. It is what it is. The French now know what it's like to have a disenfranchised minority living in significant numbers and now citizens of their country. It's very similar to what's going on with the Shia in Lebanon. The disenfranchised are vulnerable to the preachings of folks such as Bin Laden.

Ultimately these are WORLD problems that must be dealt with by all. Keeping the peace in the Middle East is a problem we all must confront - one day or another.

- Bill