Good fences make good neighbors.Van wrote:
And can anyone answer my question as to why guns make you safer
- Bill
Self-defense laws on the rise
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Bill Glasheen
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The Fantasy of Protection by a Handgun:
Ownership of a handgun does not guarantee immunity from a knifer, and or from an attack by a swarm_ read that multiple opponents.
Also you won’t have what it takes to pull the trigger if and when the moment comes.
The reason why most ‘gun toters’ _ Armed civilians , have an unrealistic, perhaps false, sense of security.
Let us assume that we are facing a highly motivated, determined and goal-oriented aggressor.
What we need to learn and implement mentally above all, is to follow up on this new awareness and be at least as motivated and goal oriented in our tactics to confront violent aggressors who wish to attack us with knives, clubs, machetes, bricks etc.
Having a gun or a 10th degree black belt will not guarantee survival in that instance.
Too often, training fails to take into account the emotional impact of surprise on performance, such as shock, hesitation, fear and doubt.
It also often fails to address the real-life issues of poor lighting, wind, rain, restrictive clothing, crowds and slippery surfaces. Firearm competence alone is thus insufficient.
And most ‘gun toters’ will not attend dedicated lethal force study such as at LFI because they don’t feel it is necessary.
All that is really needed is a few days at the range, not working scenarios, but firing at stationary paper targets that look like bad hombres.
In South Africa, I believe that 4 out of 5 handgun owners are shot with their own guns by assailants.
But I forgot…this is the USA..Sorry.
You see, we carry guns and have been ‘certified’ to be proficient _ and we will never need to be exposed to the possible game plans and strategies ‘professionally violent’ punks will pull on us, because they know that we will be caught on the back foot and that those methods will work.
Besides anyone who takes karate or carries deadly weapons is full of paranoia.
And also he may be suffering from sexual dysfunction, because the gun, as a phallic symbol, is substituted for his i
..nadequacies.
Ownership of a handgun does not guarantee immunity from a knifer, and or from an attack by a swarm_ read that multiple opponents.
Also you won’t have what it takes to pull the trigger if and when the moment comes.
The reason why most ‘gun toters’ _ Armed civilians , have an unrealistic, perhaps false, sense of security.
Let us assume that we are facing a highly motivated, determined and goal-oriented aggressor.
What we need to learn and implement mentally above all, is to follow up on this new awareness and be at least as motivated and goal oriented in our tactics to confront violent aggressors who wish to attack us with knives, clubs, machetes, bricks etc.
Having a gun or a 10th degree black belt will not guarantee survival in that instance.
Too often, training fails to take into account the emotional impact of surprise on performance, such as shock, hesitation, fear and doubt.
It also often fails to address the real-life issues of poor lighting, wind, rain, restrictive clothing, crowds and slippery surfaces. Firearm competence alone is thus insufficient.
And most ‘gun toters’ will not attend dedicated lethal force study such as at LFI because they don’t feel it is necessary.
All that is really needed is a few days at the range, not working scenarios, but firing at stationary paper targets that look like bad hombres.
In South Africa, I believe that 4 out of 5 handgun owners are shot with their own guns by assailants.
But I forgot…this is the USA..Sorry.
You see, we carry guns and have been ‘certified’ to be proficient _ and we will never need to be exposed to the possible game plans and strategies ‘professionally violent’ punks will pull on us, because they know that we will be caught on the back foot and that those methods will work.
Besides anyone who takes karate or carries deadly weapons is full of paranoia.
And also he may be suffering from sexual dysfunction, because the gun, as a phallic symbol, is substituted for his i
..nadequacies.Van
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RACastanet
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Great news Mike. The system in our county is much improved in the last year or so.
What is the benefit of concealed carry? Well, in shall issue states (40 as of this writing) the criminals rightly fear being shot and killed by a determined citizen. In fact, from FBI data, total violent crime is 26% higher in restricitive states (including DC) than it is in shall issue states. Homicides are 49% higher and robbery rates are 58% higher!
So, even if most citizens really would not pull the trigger, the deterrent is still there.
Rich
What is the benefit of concealed carry? Well, in shall issue states (40 as of this writing) the criminals rightly fear being shot and killed by a determined citizen. In fact, from FBI data, total violent crime is 26% higher in restricitive states (including DC) than it is in shall issue states. Homicides are 49% higher and robbery rates are 58% higher!
So, even if most citizens really would not pull the trigger, the deterrent is still there.
Rich
Member of the world's premier gun club, the USMC!
Very much improved. I was very surprised to get it in two weeks.
The lady at the county told me that she's seeing a lot of guys who are getting their CHP as soon as they turn 21. Both the person doing the fingerprinting at the police HQ and the lady at the magistrate mentioned an increase in young men who look like gang members getting the CHP. Could be just a fashion statement but I still found it a little interesting.
The lady at the county told me that she's seeing a lot of guys who are getting their CHP as soon as they turn 21. Both the person doing the fingerprinting at the police HQ and the lady at the magistrate mentioned an increase in young men who look like gang members getting the CHP. Could be just a fashion statement but I still found it a little interesting.
I was dreaming of the past...
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Mike: I have seen this in the classes I teach. Up front I make it clear that any felony, warrant, DUI, multiple misdemaenors etc will prevent them from getting a CHP. Also, in our county, their prints will be sent to the state police and FBI! I have had only one person get up and leave out of many, many hundreds. If they are willing to be printed and checked out they are ok in my book. Remeber, a CHP is a 'good conduct' card.
Most likely we are seeing a fashion statement.
Last month a few attired as such showed up for an all day range class. They were fine. Very respectful and willing to learn. A couple of them were just terrible shots and just could not figure out a handgun. I seriously told them to get an eye exam.
When I have more than 4 unknown people at a class I always have a 'second' standing in the rear should something unpleasent occur. Also, up front I read everyone the riot act. Among other things I point out my 1911 .45 on my hip, with the hammer back, and with no strap on my holtser and warn them that if anyone goes postal I will put an end to the problem quickly! I even do this with the high school JROTC kids I take to the range. Keeps 'em guessing.
Rich
Most likely we are seeing a fashion statement.
Last month a few attired as such showed up for an all day range class. They were fine. Very respectful and willing to learn. A couple of them were just terrible shots and just could not figure out a handgun. I seriously told them to get an eye exam.
When I have more than 4 unknown people at a class I always have a 'second' standing in the rear should something unpleasent occur. Also, up front I read everyone the riot act. Among other things I point out my 1911 .45 on my hip, with the hammer back, and with no strap on my holtser and warn them that if anyone goes postal I will put an end to the problem quickly! I even do this with the high school JROTC kids I take to the range. Keeps 'em guessing.
Rich
Member of the world's premier gun club, the USMC!
I think it's more that the street thugs share the same aesthetic sensibilities as the rest of urban youth culture. People want to dress like street thugs for the same reason people want to dress like embezzlers.MikeK wrote:That's about what I was figuring. I don't get why someone wants to dress like a street thug or a criminal but to each his own.
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Hmmm..... how do embezzlers dress Justin? Is there a dress code posted on the internet somewhere? Is it something learned in institutes of higher learning? MBA school for instance? Perhaps I can find this information on the Harvard Business School website.People want to dress like street thugs for the same reason people want to dress like embezzlers.
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Rich
Member of the world's premier gun club, the USMC!
The average gun owner with protection in mind fires thirty or 40 cartridges from a box of fifty. That leaves enough bullets to go home, reload and place under his pillow thinking he is ready for a home invasion.
Many times the gun will go off accidentally under the pillow while he is having sex with his wife or mistress.
Most people with guns are ineffective and dangerous.
They will hesitate to shoot even in the defense of their children’s lives, and because of their general ineptitude, the gun will be taken away from them by the criminal and shoved up their backside.
Many times the gun will go off accidentally under the pillow while he is having sex with his wife or mistress.
Most people with guns are ineffective and dangerous.
They will hesitate to shoot even in the defense of their children’s lives, and because of their general ineptitude, the gun will be taken away from them by the criminal and shoved up their backside.
Van
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Bill Glasheen
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Some comments floating around about Henrico County, CHP, and such are interesting.
First... I am impressed, Mike. It took close to 3 months for them to get my CHP to me. (A year or two ago) I ended up having to inquire about what the delay was. Either I'm a very bad man, or the county finally has gotten its act together.
As for dress codes...
The younger generation will dress to "impress." Standing out in the crowd is part of your license to be an adolescent. In my day I was repeatedly threatened with physical assault just for having long hair. And with my thick shock of wavy Irish hair (not quite as thick these days...), I had BIG long hair. The repeated threats I received starting at age 17 spurred me on to be a better martial artist and a better person.
I am not surprised that Rich treats today's "shocking" adolescents with respect. Rich is a class act. And I resist the temptation within to make a comment when I see a kid with his pants down to his thighs and his boxer shorts flapping in the breeze. (How in the hell do they do that??? Still trying to figure it out.) Instead I walk straight up to such people, strike up a conversation, and treat them with respect. It disarms THEM. And I end up with new friends in new life venues.
Comments about "embezzlers" are in my mind inappropriate. I kind of understood the point, but I believe it might have been over the top and perhaps a bit telling. But that's me...
As to why certain youth strata are seeking CHP in record numbers, well I take that as a good thing. It's all about this.
No other program has been as successful in reducing violent crime as has Project Exile.
Kids want to get on the up and up? Fine by me!
Follow the Golden Rule in life and you can dress any way you want in my book.
- Bill
First... I am impressed, Mike. It took close to 3 months for them to get my CHP to me. (A year or two ago) I ended up having to inquire about what the delay was. Either I'm a very bad man, or the county finally has gotten its act together.
As for dress codes...
The younger generation will dress to "impress." Standing out in the crowd is part of your license to be an adolescent. In my day I was repeatedly threatened with physical assault just for having long hair. And with my thick shock of wavy Irish hair (not quite as thick these days...), I had BIG long hair. The repeated threats I received starting at age 17 spurred me on to be a better martial artist and a better person.
I am not surprised that Rich treats today's "shocking" adolescents with respect. Rich is a class act. And I resist the temptation within to make a comment when I see a kid with his pants down to his thighs and his boxer shorts flapping in the breeze. (How in the hell do they do that???
Still trying to figure it out.) Instead I walk straight up to such people, strike up a conversation, and treat them with respect. It disarms THEM. And I end up with new friends in new life venues.Comments about "embezzlers" are in my mind inappropriate. I kind of understood the point, but I believe it might have been over the top and perhaps a bit telling. But that's me...
As to why certain youth strata are seeking CHP in record numbers, well I take that as a good thing. It's all about this.
No other program has been as successful in reducing violent crime as has Project Exile.
Kids want to get on the up and up? Fine by me!
Follow the Golden Rule in life and you can dress any way you want in my book.- Bill
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Bill Glasheen
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Owning and carrying a gun is dangerous and ridiculous.
Burglars strike when no one is at home and robbers confront too rapidly for victims to access guns.
Plus the danger and the cost of resisting robbery are prohibitive.
Don’t put up any defense, give them what they want, or run if you can.
Remember, guns don’t die, people do.
And never forget this: Even large, physically fit, self defense skilled young men, should not resist a criminal in any way, for a ‘victim’ is more than eight times as likely to be killed when using a ‘self-protective measure’ than if he submits.
If you are over fifty, just plain forget it.
Burglars strike when no one is at home and robbers confront too rapidly for victims to access guns.
Plus the danger and the cost of resisting robbery are prohibitive.
Don’t put up any defense, give them what they want, or run if you can.
Remember, guns don’t die, people do.
And never forget this: Even large, physically fit, self defense skilled young men, should not resist a criminal in any way, for a ‘victim’ is more than eight times as likely to be killed when using a ‘self-protective measure’ than if he submits.
If you are over fifty, just plain forget it.
Van
